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JoeyT

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124. Yeah, that's pretty much what I remember too.

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:59 AM

Oct 2012

"Cheap goods are good for the economy! What do you mean 'Watch out or you'll be next.'? I am a Producer: Absolutely irreplaceable. None can challenge my Galtian Might! For I am....Why's that guy coming this way with a pink slip?"

I was routinely laughed at for pointing out that when the companies had outsourced as many blue collar jobs as possible the IT field was the next logical overhead for them to eliminate. Now all the guys I've kept up with from the field are all like "Ayn Rand? Nope, doesn't really ring a bell." They all went from Galtian Supermen to labor liberals and don't remember having done it, despite some of them claiming to have photographic memories.

Accounts and low to mid-level managers take note: Once they get rid of these expensive engineers, y'all are next.

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Senators Working on Bipartisan Bill to Allow More U.S. Visas for Indians [View all] twins.fan Sep 2012 OP

Oy - fuckin great. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #1

why? former-republican Sep 2012 #2

Some jobs that require a high level of education are going unfilled. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #5

The H1B visa is not used to import highly skilled workers. It is for REPLACEMENT workers. twins.fan Sep 2012 #6

IN my experience, I have never seen an H1B visa holder take a job from an employed bluestate10 Sep 2012 #60

This is a quick and dirty search. It took me a couple of minutes: twins.fan Sep 2012 #70

Also the unemployment rate for US STEM workers is NOT nonexistent. The rate is a HOAX! twins.fan Sep 2012 #7

Could you list the fields where that has happened? bluestate10 Sep 2012 #61

Garbage. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #84

When I was hired for my first job out of college ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #91

^^ This. I got my first coding job after my sophomore year in college, and I wasn't even gkhouston Sep 2012 #102

+100. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #107

About America�s global education rankings...not as advertised twins.fan Sep 2012 #9

The ue rate for IT in the US is above national avg, this makes no sense uponit7771 Sep 2012 #10

U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren�t there twins.fan Sep 2012 #15

I was specific in the list of jobs that shortages exist in. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #64

IT is one of the easiest hard science or engineering fields. It has always been staffed fully. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #59

bald-faced bullshit. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #86

Bullshit.. sendero Sep 2012 #41

I know from fact. I deal with the issue constantly. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #68

Please wake up! twins.fan Sep 2012 #74

Some Democrats are NOT "falling for it." They are driving it. Like Chuck Schumer. twins.fan Sep 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Sep 2012 #87

more "cheap-labor liberal" talking points. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #79

Because that's what their fucking paymasters want, and they'll get it. TransitJohn Sep 2012 #14

Why bother? abelenkpe Sep 2012 #3

That process is called Knowledge Transfer (KT) and proceeds as follows: twins.fan Sep 2012 #8

+ 1 uponit7771 Sep 2012 #12

Exactly what has happened to VFX abelenkpe Sep 2012 #24

They are trying to do that . sendero Sep 2012 #42

That is typical ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #49

KR. I wish you would write this up as an OP. The US capital & knowlege infrastructure HiPointDem Sep 2012 #82

Do you mean KT? As for the process not happening in NYC, it is happening there too. twins.fan Sep 2012 #85

I didn't say it wasn't happening in nyc, i said that what would remain would be a few glittering HiPointDem Sep 2012 #88

Will do! You wrote "KR" though. I thought you were talking about KT, just wanted to make sure. twins.fan Sep 2012 #93

kr = kick & rec HiPointDem Sep 2012 #95

kick & rec? twins.fan Sep 2012 #97

When you reply to a post, it "kicks" the thread back to the top of the forum/group page. gkhouston Sep 2012 #103

Ah!! OK, thanks for 'splainin' twins.fan Oct 2012 #121

Sant Singh Chatwal is a growing political figure in the Democratic Party twins.fan Sep 2012 #4

We need more laid off American IT workers jsr Sep 2012 #11

Ever notice how free traders never want to discuss the laid-off American workers? Zalatix Sep 2012 #35

Yep. jsr Sep 2012 #38

What we need is a redirection of IT talent. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #83

You are thinking about what our country needs which does not line up with ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #92

Why only India Hutzpa Sep 2012 #13

The GAO reports that about half of work visas are granted to Indians. twins.fan Sep 2012 #16

Still doesn't answer my question though Hutzpa Sep 2012 #17

I don't know that I have the answer to your question twins.fan Sep 2012 #18

Because a much larger percentage of Indians speak English? gkhouston Sep 2012 #19

And the others don't Hutzpa Sep 2012 #22

More than The UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada? Lasher Sep 2012 #26

Combined with the low wages. The original question was comparing India gkhouston Sep 2012 #28

That's not what you said and that wasn't part of the original question. Lasher Sep 2012 #29

My bias?? If you think I'm arguing in favoring of more H1-B's, you're waaaaay off base. n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #30

You are clearly trying to rationalize the inordinate share of visas already going to Indians. Lasher Sep 2012 #31

No, I'm trying to explain why it's being done, not argue that it's a good idea. gkhouston Sep 2012 #32

We could actually use a lot more Indian Americans in this country. gulliver Sep 2012 #20

"Talented Indian Americans in this country just means America has more talent." Hutzpa Sep 2012 #21

Well it isn't. gulliver Sep 2012 #27

More BS on top of BS! Zalatix Sep 2012 #33

The jobs that follow talent return to the US. The jobs that follow price go to India. twins.fan Sep 2012 #37

While kicking Americans further into the curb. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #127

I seriously doubt that the majority of US STEM workers will agree with you. twins.fan Sep 2012 #25

You're swimming against an emotional tide. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #80

I'm happy for the brightest people from other countries to come here. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #23

You're happy that it puts Americans out of work. Zalatix Sep 2012 #34

I wish that the corporations would just be honest about these work visas. twins.fan Sep 2012 #36

What about this? treestar Sep 2012 #53

Yet another drive-by half-truth post. Zalatix Sep 2012 #55

As Ron Hira put it a while back ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #56

Treestar feels American workers need to be culled to make room for other population groups. Zalatix Sep 2012 #57

I have never heard of "Treestar." Who are they/he/she/it? twins.fan Sep 2012 #62

Oh you haven't had the experience, eh? Zalatix Sep 2012 #67

Thanks for the info. I will keep my eye open for them. twins.fan Sep 2012 #76

That's it in a nutshell. That's it! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #128

that's true but the argument accounts for the fact they will outsource treestar Sep 2012 #81

Why can't American workers go get a STEM job in India? Can you answer that? Zalatix Sep 2012 #90

Why do you overreact so? treestar Sep 2012 #98

In the beginning US STEM workers welcomed workers that supplemented the workforce twins.fan Sep 2012 #99

You avoided my question, so I will keep asking you... Zalatix Sep 2012 #111

Hmmm. We were saying it's better for the American worker if the Indians are here rather than R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #129

Doesn't matter, treestar won't answer our questions. Zalatix Oct 2012 #130

Those plumbers and electricians are now competing JoeyT Oct 2012 #123

Years ago, when Bill Clinton was being impeached, and US STEM workers were supporting him ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #39

This story quotes Ron Hira. The last three paragraphs of the story reads as follows: twins.fan Sep 2012 #40

Yep. I remember that. Most computer geeks were neo-Republican - closeupready Sep 2012 #66

I discovered it after the fact. twins.fan Sep 2012 #77

twinsfan & closeupready - I was a STEM worker back then. Take a seat by the fireplace. Zalatix Sep 2012 #89

I saw some of that too! twins.fan Sep 2012 #96

Thanks for that VERY interesting perspective. closeupready Sep 2012 #101

That wasn't my experience, but I was in academia at the time... likely you get a different gkhouston Sep 2012 #104

Yeah, that's pretty much what I remember too. JoeyT Oct 2012 #124

Eventually the American CEOs are going to go to the chopping block. Zalatix Oct 2012 #125

We need to tell senators Schumer and Reid.. sendero Sep 2012 #43

Has anyone here asked your Democratic representatives ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #44

So is there any feedback from us or SIEU Skidmore Sep 2012 #45

Schumer knows what he is doing. He is counting on US not knowing. twins.fan Sep 2012 #46

SO maybe WE need to let Schumer know that we are watching him and Reid, Skidmore Sep 2012 #50

You're darn tootin' we should let him (them) know twins.fan Sep 2012 #52

BUT BUT we don't have people that know science and technology jsr Sep 2012 #47

About America�s global education rankings...not as advertised twins.fan Sep 2012 #48

And, it wasn't an American that created Facebook Hutzpa Sep 2012 #63

And the internets, computers, cell phones jsr Sep 2012 #69

I forgot about the phone Hutzpa Sep 2012 #72

Only if ea and every visa comes with a 100K annual tax to pay free College education for an american on point Sep 2012 #51

Make that a full ride to any school or program that will accept them, in fact make it two TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #73

Good, this will surely help unemployed americans find work! 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #54

Top users of H1B visa twins.fan Sep 2012 #58

If India does not reciprocate by opening employment to Americans, then no. closeupready Sep 2012 #65

+100,000,000! You nailed it right to the wall! Zalatix Sep 2012 #75

um -- what use is it for india to open employment to americans, & why would that improve the HiPointDem Sep 2012 #94

Um -- fair is fair. If they want to come here and take our jobs, we should have the right closeupready Sep 2012 #100

it's downside for american workers even *if* some can take jobs in india, because of the difference HiPointDem Sep 2012 #106

Not your problem or your business. closeupready Sep 2012 #109

the destruction of the country *is* my problem and *is* my business. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2012 #116

I'm not sure that we disagree, but since you are talking apples closeupready Sep 2012 #118

i'm not flaming. i just don't think that h1b visas suddenly become ok because americans get to HiPointDem Oct 2012 #120

Like many Americans want to work in India? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #113

If you'd like to discuss that, I invite you to start your own thread about that question. closeupready Sep 2012 #117

Actually, I think some might, and if India wants the *REAL* best and brightest ... twins.fan Oct 2012 #122

Oh yes, this is a GREAT idea tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #78

It's the premise I find difficult to accept. ElboRuum Sep 2012 #105

US STEM workers are the greatest scientists, engineers, and mathematicians ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #110

Well ain't that special! It's nice that the senators are working (have a job). L0oniX Sep 2012 #108

Finally! The answer to out-sourcing! Bring them HERE! WinkyDink Sep 2012 #112

Corporations want cheap labor like a junkie wants a fix Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #114

Exactamente jsr Sep 2012 #119

Great job guys. Why are we sending you back to your jobs when you are R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #126