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peggysue2

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161. I usually agree with Pierce

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:51 AM

Nov 2020

But not this time.

The Lincoln Project did more that produce biting ads (many of which got into Trump's head). They had people on the ground working with Democratic teams and others to beat the weeds for votes and convince persuadable Republicans to switch to Biden. Their data team would alert the ad guys where to direct the message, the sort of micro-targeting we heard about in 2016. In a close election, this was important work. They were jumping off the theory that if they could wrangle 4% of Republicans to switch then there was a window for beating Trump. They more than doubled that percentage.

Every vote counts regardless of where it comes from. So, LP along with scads of Democratic operatives and volunteers made this win possible.

Personally, I'm grateful for the support and very glad that these people were on our side. Strange times make for strange bedfellows. And if they follow through, the Lincoln Project is not going anywhere. They'll soon direct their talents on the Georgia run-offs, provide legal teams to work with Democratic teams to fend off Trump's challenges and then push into the 2022 and 2024 cycles. Trump was the first to go, but LP along with Dems want every Trump enabler and apologist eliminated from the public sphere. They've vowed to fight shoulder-to-shoulder with us until that's completed.

There's no doubt that these people are dedicated conservatives. But right now they're on our side. We'd be stupid not to welcome that.

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The Lincoln Project Didn't Move 10 Votes in This Election [View all] Autumn Nov 2020 OP

thay made me feel good thats for sure samnsara Nov 2020 #1

And that very well may have pumped up our own turnout. backscatter712 Nov 2020 #98

Being Republicans, they never got beyond personality attacks Bucky Nov 2020 #99

If I didn't know better I'd say you sound jealous. Cary Nov 2020 #116

Gideon and Harrison were not short of funds at all. tblue37 Nov 2020 #123

I don't think we know that Pisces Nov 2020 #2

Me either PatSeg Nov 2020 #35

Agree tavernier Nov 2020 #46

They went low so we could go high. badhair77 Nov 2020 #3

This misanthrope Nov 2020 #17

The Lincoln Broject had some very effective ads Gothmog Nov 2020 #94

Except for the "effective" part. The Republican vote for Trump went up by 3% over 2016. Bucky Nov 2020 #101

The facts indicate that you are wrong Gothmog Nov 2020 #107

They did great work, raised money, motivated many to vote & thankfully were on our side! Catcar Nov 2020 #4

Yes they did, and the OP trying to say they had no impact on the votes is ridiculous. There is no still_one Nov 2020 #9

I didn't write the article, I posted it. For discussion. That's what one does on a message board. Autumn Nov 2020 #15

wait, you posted an article you didn't write? Voltaire2 Nov 2020 #139

They didn't change any votes at all. Bucky Nov 2020 #104

Nonsense. and I guess Cindy McCain isn't helping us in Arizona either....... still_one Nov 2020 #5

I'm happy they were on our side for this election..... CatMor Nov 2020 #6

NYC was already ours. progressoid Nov 2020 #137

Arizona and Georgia are close. BlueLucy Nov 2020 #7

The fact that some were former rabid republicans I have to believe they had an effect.I SALUTE THEM. spanone Nov 2020 #8

This is what I was hearing months ago. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #10

"Plausable? Here's a sample... JHB Nov 2020 #20

Yep. I don't know why, but I was being wishy washy. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #21

That's it right there. Tax reform, cuts and fiscal responsibility without it being hung on Autumn Nov 2020 #26

"need everyone to pretend that all events prior to 2016 are off-limits and unknowable." melman Nov 2020 #72

Bullshit GusBob Nov 2020 #11

You can blame Trump's behavior for that JonLP24 Nov 2020 #126

How do we know that ? obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2020 #12

I agree. Honest_Abe Nov 2020 #41

Well, I sure appreciated them! captain queeg Nov 2020 #13

I adore the Lincoln Project murdock744 Nov 2020 #14

Will you still think they belong with the Dems when they start running ads against things that Autumn Nov 2020 #31

No different from those of us on The Left trying to pull the Party to Us. Tommymac Nov 2020 #39

How could anyone possibly know that? sheshe2 Nov 2020 #16

They might say the same thing about Charles Pierce. OneBro Nov 2020 #18

An attempt to prove a negative. Earthshine2 Nov 2020 #19

it's hard to measure their effect andym Nov 2020 #22

Hi Autumn. I'm not sure how they can be sure how many voters were affected... Violet_Crumble Nov 2020 #23

Hi Violet, good to see you! Yes the couple of ads I saw were good and I liked the billboards. Autumn Nov 2020 #25

They were entertaining, and stuck it to Trump pfitz59 Nov 2020 #24

I only saw their ads here. cwydro Nov 2020 #27

Maybe their own ten votes. nt gollygee Nov 2020 #28

You don't suppose rioting and looting plus the "Defund the Police" movement Kahuna Nov 2020 #29

So we shouldn't be outraged that black people are being murdered by cops and continue to give the Autumn Nov 2020 #36

Do it if it makes you feel better. But do not expect to not affect votes that we need. Kahuna Nov 2020 #64

I have found only racists are uncomfortable or angry about with the protests Autumn Nov 2020 #65

+1 million Arazi Nov 2020 #85

That shows what you know. ITFP, I only mentioned rioting and looting... Kahuna Nov 2020 #87

I changed nothing, that was the subject of your post. Autumn Nov 2020 #90

Go somewhere with that nonsense. I'm not here to play games. Kahuna Nov 2020 #100

Games? It was your post, deny it if you wish. It's there is black and white. I stand by what I said Autumn Nov 2020 #112

Goodbye!!! Kahuna Nov 2020 #120

Bye bye. Autumn Nov 2020 #128

Where is the like button for this post? Voltaire2 Nov 2020 #140

Sadly we don't have one. I have seen several posts on DU I would like to push that button on today. Autumn Nov 2020 #141

+1 leftstreet Nov 2020 #146

I agree with you on that. Their problem is there are no decent Republicans to return to. Autumn Nov 2020 #147

Charlie is still pushing the rage machine, but who did he change ? As against that, TLP spoke OnDoutside Nov 2020 #30

Your question should be what will the LP change when they run their ads against Biden's attempts Autumn Nov 2020 #33

Firstly, I have provided what they said they worked on, where's Charlie's evidence ? Secondly, what OnDoutside Nov 2020 #37

Why don't you read the article and you can ask the author your questions. I'm sure there Autumn Nov 2020 #38

I did and it's as i said. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #44

Do you think we shouldn't have tried? brooklynite Nov 2020 #32

I didn't write the article. You can always read it to see the argument the author makes. nt Autumn Nov 2020 #34

I did read it, and he has no evidence apart from wanting to give them a kicking. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #42

Then you obviously disagree with the author. Myself I like kicking Republicans, even so called Autumn Nov 2020 #47

I don't care whether they're "decent" or not, they're hitting the GOP, and that's a good thing, or OnDoutside Nov 2020 #55

Short sighted. They are hitting the GOP now, when Biden is sworn in they will be hitting him. Autumn Nov 2020 #61

And it's that type of uncompromising attitude that cost the Hillary in 2016. If/When they do turn on OnDoutside Nov 2020 #66

No matter what, this is Donald Trumps America. That alone will be hard enough for Biden to surmount Autumn Nov 2020 #68

AFAIK only one from the TLP (Kurt Bardella) has registered as a Democrat. Most have left the GOP OnDoutside Nov 2020 #78

Baloney. BlueNProud Nov 2020 #40

+++ still_one Nov 2020 #181

SAYS WHO. Were never intended for the true cultists - only Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #43

Sour grapes from some whose power to extort Biden was diminished AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #45

Proof? Is there? I have known people who vote down ticket and leave the top blank. Autumn Nov 2020 #48

We know that happened in 2016 after Hillary was maligned by some AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #50

You know who started smearing Hillary as corrupt LONG before 2016? It sure as fuck wasn't Bernie Autumn Nov 2020 #54

I didn't mention Bernie is my post. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #67

Yeah but everyone knew who you meant. aidbo Nov 2020 #105

Everyone knew what I meant? AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #114

Yep it's common knowledge that people on this site hate Bernie. aidbo Nov 2020 #121

And BS jumped right on that train...His mantra of "Establishment" was originated by ... Budi Nov 2020 #109

+infinity mtnsnake Nov 2020 #111

Exactly. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #56

GMTA - I had the same thought. crickets Nov 2020 #52

Or they would vote for Trump and left the top blank. Either way, Biden or blank they voted for Autumn Nov 2020 #57

I much prefer TLP who supported Biden over those who are still stuck in the primaries - Biden won. Skya Rhen Nov 2020 #59

You should attempt to let the primaries go then. Thank god Biden won. nt Autumn Nov 2020 #63

If you're talking about never trumpers, I'm not celebrating them. crickets Nov 2020 #62

I can not get over that fact that Mitch won his race. After his laughter at the covid response fail Autumn Nov 2020 #77

As much as I abhor Mitch McConnell and want him gone, his win did not surprise me. crickets Nov 2020 #89

If the republicans left the top blank, it is still a win for us. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #69

Biden has gotten more votes than any president in history at this time. THAT is a mandate. Autumn Nov 2020 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Nov 2020 #49

Well somebody at Esquire has an axe to grind. crickets Nov 2020 #51

I still don't trust them, they are not our friends. nt Hotler Nov 2020 #53

Lulz! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #58

Moi aussi AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #70

they got a nice database of Democratic voters bigtree Nov 2020 #60

Oh yes they do. And to hear that Republicans have a place and are applauded is a slap in the Autumn Nov 2020 #75

Aw. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #82

Don't cry Honey. I didn't mean to hurt your feels. Nothing I say about Republicans is directed at Autumn Nov 2020 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2020 #95

Do you ever tire of being wrong? Gothmog Nov 2020 #96

My feelings weren't hurt... honey. The "tears" I shed are not for me. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #97

Labels and actions? I haven't seen either. Autumn Nov 2020 #129

Noooo! Really? NurseJackie Nov 2020 #131

Really. I miss a good amount of posts by a lot of people. Ignore is great, I just need to learn Autumn Nov 2020 #132

I see. Fascinating. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #135

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2020 #86

that's not how any of this works. bigtree Nov 2020 #92

I think they moved some votes but its clouded by Trump's turnout In It to Win It Nov 2020 #71

Truth melman Nov 2020 #74

I have to laugh. Who would have thought picking on Republicans would be such a trigger. Autumn Nov 2020 #76

When does the LP jock-sniffing end on this Democratic site? SaintLouisBlues Nov 2020 #79

I'm afraid not. Wait till a Puke dies, the whatever the fuck it is is off the charts. Autumn Nov 2020 #84

I like the ones that say "they make me feel good" melman Nov 2020 #80

Yeah, what the hell is up with that ? I can only imagine how good the LP will make them feel once Autumn Nov 2020 #130

Steve Schmidt on Liz Cheney melman Nov 2020 #81

Whoa. That's going to be a problem. Autumn Nov 2020 #152

And who can forget this gem? melman Nov 2020 #155

The LP will do a lot for that POS Republican candidate in 2024 The woman fits every need Autumn Nov 2020 #157

And the LP defenders will never admit they were wrong melman Nov 2020 #158

Yes we are so mean not welcoming them to the party with open arms. All I know is fuck Autumn Nov 2020 #160

I disagree with Charles P. Pierce. LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #83

You are wrong yet again Gothmog Nov 2020 #91

I figured as much! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #119

The goal of the Lincoln Project was to move 4% of trump voters to Biden Gothmog Nov 2020 #122

But they're REPUBLICANS! Whaaaaa! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #125

TLP ads were always about appealing to never trumpers and Democratic voters. MerryBlooms Nov 2020 #93

LP let the rest of us know that not all Rs are crazy, Ilsa Nov 2020 #102

Seriously? Second day this bs article has been circulating Budi Nov 2020 #103

Okay, so here's a different one Bucky Nov 2020 #106

Well Berkowitz finally caught up to the Red Rosies. Budi Nov 2020 #113

I don't have to prove you wrong. Just like you can't prove yourself right. These are opinions. Autumn Nov 2020 #110

Haaaaahaaaa. That's your answer? Budi Nov 2020 #117

You do know that people on a message board, especially a political message board will post Autumn Nov 2020 #127

Awwww. Quite a comeback. He is Lying on a National publication Budi Nov 2020 #145

How about you take it up with him? There are plenty of venues for you to do that Autumn Nov 2020 #154

How about I put you in the ignore heap. Budi Nov 2020 #156

The premise of this article is wrong Gothmog Nov 2020 #108

I usually agree with Pierce peggysue2 Nov 2020 #161

I like them Cary Nov 2020 #115

Preach! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #118

They certainly cheered me & a lot of others up for the duration Hekate Nov 2020 #124

The Lincoln Project probably didn't get us many Republican votes. marie999 Nov 2020 #133

I don't know about the votes but I do know that the only time I saw their ads were when Autumn Nov 2020 #136

Yes, they are still Republicans and I don't think it will be long for them to attack Biden. marie999 Nov 2020 #142

TLP sure looks, sounds, feels like a Trojan Horse. Having witnessed similar tactics with rethugs in diva77 Nov 2020 #170

No, they're a bunch of grifters. alarimer Nov 2020 #134

How the hell does he know how many people may have been BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #138

Republican vote for trump went up to 93% from 90 in 2016 Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #143

Independents, though? BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #144

I heard on tv Independents went for Biden. Rham Emanuel said no president can win without the Autumn Nov 2020 #163

The Lincoln Project are an organization of more than 10 ex-republicans who voted for trump.... George II Nov 2020 #148

They've done more than the pro Trump "progressives" Ninsianna Nov 2020 #149

K & R THIS ⬆️ Budi Nov 2020 #159

Their own votes certainly added to more than ten. Also, their message may have a delayed positive artemisia1 Nov 2020 #150

I want to thank Steve Schmidt and the Lincoln Project for standing up what is right about America Gothmog Nov 2020 #151

Psychologically, they were worth their weight in gold. Greybnk48 Nov 2020 #153

The Lincoln Project did a HUGE job in flipping Georgia for the first time since 1992.... George II Nov 2020 #162

How nice to pitch in and help. Autumn Nov 2020 #180

Without their help we might not have pulled out Georgia. Or Arizona. Or even Pennsylvania. George II Nov 2020 #182

Oh I think we would have done just fine. Autumn Nov 2020 #183

Thank you Steve Schmidt Gothmog Nov 2020 #164

Steve Schmidt: I ran the Roberts and Alito confirmations. melman Nov 2020 #165

So you are not happy that this group help defeat trump? That is sad Gothmog Nov 2020 #166

Very sad, Goth. On the other hand that data you included is very interesting.... George II Nov 2020 #168

I am glad that Joe and Kamala won and I want to thank the Lioncoln Project for their efforts Gothmog Nov 2020 #169

Non-Democrats who worked with us to defeat Trump are preferable lapucelle Nov 2020 #171

We're staying in the fight: to defeat Trumpism we must also defeat David Perdue. Gothmog Nov 2020 #167

Never Trumpers played a critical role in beating him. The numbers prove it. Gothmog Nov 2020 #172

Again, you are wrong-The Lincoln Project was very successful in the real world Gothmog Nov 2020 #173

So you say. I disagree. Thanks Goth for kicking my thread over and over again. Autumn Nov 2020 #174

The real world is a nice place where facts matter Gothmog Nov 2020 #175

Our worlds are vastly different, so are the facts that we accept. I think it's time so say so long Autumn Nov 2020 #176

The real world is a nice place where facts matter Gothmog Nov 2020 #177

Yeah for the Lincoln Project Gothmog Nov 2020 #178

Thank You Project Lincoln Gothmog Nov 2020 #179

Two cheers for the Never Trump conservatives Gothmog Dec 2020 #184