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211. here is an explanation for florida from a former supervisor of elections
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:54 PM
Nov 2020
https://bradblog.com/?p=13612

Down in the critical battleground of Florida, as my guest explains today, voters may never even know if the election is stolen from them. That guest today is the legendary, former 28-year Supervisor of Elections in Leon County (Tallahassee), Florida, ION SANCHO, who was so well-respected by his peers on both the right and left he was appointed to oversee the eventually-aborted year 2000 recount between Al Gore and George W. Bush in the Sunshine State.

On Friday, Sancho sent an urgent letter [PDF] to the Supervisors of Elections in 47 of Florida's 67 counties which use wireless cellular modems to transmit precinct election results to county headquarters after the close of polls on Election Night. The letter warns that those modems --- and the Internet connections to them at the counties' central tabulators --- can be easily hacked "from anywhere in the world." If they are, he explains on today's program, it's very likely that such a hack, changing election results, would never be noticed by election officials.

"The issue is that we’re using equipment that is not secure," Sancho tells me. "To quote Sen. Marco Rubio, 'Many Florida election officials are arrogant over their belief that they can’t be touched, that they are secure.' And this is a state that does not compare the numbers that we generate on those electrical optical scanners to the actual, physical votes on the piece of paper. We’re completely dependent upon those electronic totals on Election Night."

Manual examination of hand-marked paper ballots in Florida, to make sure the reported computer tabulation was correct, is prohibited by state law. Sancho details his concerns about those modems --- which are not federally certified for use in elections --- and how the state's election officials can avoid the threat posed by this very serious vulnerability to the state's election infrastructure. Making matters worse, he notes, "We do not audit the paper ballots to confirm that the election totals are correct. And that’s a huge, huge problem – not just in Florida, but everywhere in the country."

"Most of the election officials were not even aware that their systems were connected [to the Internet], because the vendor [in this case, ES&S, the nation's largest] never told them. You’re almost 100% dependent upon the vendor for the information about your system. So our most public process – our elections process, which is public – really are controlled by private entities."

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I think you are right. MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #1
Hell yes DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #139
"There is now no longer a Republican party... alterfurz Nov 2020 #187
I bet there is some of that-- mail in ballots saved us LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #2
Why don't we hear this more? I'm so frustrated by the constant assertion rainin Nov 2020 #217
Yes. Agree. There could be a lot of reasons for this polling phenomenon LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #230
Florida is paper and we damn sure ain't winning there. nt Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #3
Yeah, I think Florida is rigged differently-- or more heavy suppression LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #6
good old fashioned ballot box stuffing. and ballots piled up in the post office. mopinko Nov 2020 #13
any idea who exactly does the ballot stuffing? LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #17
i have no idea the mechanics. prolly registered phony voters. mopinko Nov 2020 #31
Here's how they do it: meadowlander Nov 2020 #39
yeah, they did that shit BEFORE computers. mopinko Nov 2020 #66
interesting to watch you two yakking back and forth about how they are stealing it CreekDog Nov 2020 #123
That's like saying "the sun is shining... BarackTheVote Nov 2020 #224
It's happening -- and not that hard to do crimycarny Nov 2020 #226
Or maybe they are actually crazy enough to like him Polybius Nov 2020 #160
Oh, totally--- Florida is strong trump country LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #161
all of it? mopinko Nov 2020 #7
Yep! Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #8
there is another thread here about trupm getting 200k more than hillary in miami dade. mopinko Nov 2020 #10
Not sure about the total number but he eked out Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #23
i aint buyin that shit about cubanos. mopinko Nov 2020 #43
Obama wasn't running. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #48
oh ffs. mopinko Nov 2020 #56
Think what you want but the Florida Cuban Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #182
and how long has your family been in this country? mopinko Nov 2020 #209
Yup tavernier Nov 2020 #62
Florida's only paper if you order it. I waited in line for 4.5 hours in the rain to vote for John judesedit Nov 2020 #91
It's been paper every time I've ever voted. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #94
You have to tell your county Supervisor of Election office you want paper ballot sent for all judesedit Nov 2020 #104
It depends on the district. See map below lostnfound Nov 2020 #216
that's day of. mopinko Nov 2020 #222
Interesting map. Thanks for sharing! nt Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #225
Check this out. Something is going on in Florida rainin Nov 2020 #135
There is nothing that says anything about Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #140
Yep madeup64 Nov 2020 #157
That is pretty much statistically impossible. smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #155
that is exactly the thing that made me post this thread. mopinko Nov 2020 #167
In Florida it's illegal to actually look at the paper ballots questionseverything Nov 2020 #200
Unless there is a manual recount votes can be flipped undetected crimycarny Nov 2020 #229
I don't believe anyone who isn't willing to say who they are. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #234
You mean "Anonymous"? crimycarny Nov 2020 #238
Well, that works in some places, others, not so much Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #4
Alabama is flat out suppression. However ... kurtcagle Nov 2020 #15
I would love to be alive to see it happen Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #16
you can still hack tabulators. mopinko Nov 2020 #32
100% agreed. Add a russian or two. halobeam Nov 2020 #5
Notice that nothing is being said abaout Russia. DNI ordered it so. Cetacea Nov 2020 #147
I sure did notice! I kept screaming it at the TV .... Polls aren't THAT wrong,... RUSSIA! halobeam Nov 2020 #215
Vote on paper. It is verifiable and harder to manipulate. Freethinker65 Nov 2020 #9
even if it takes longer to count. mopinko Nov 2020 #28
i prefer to vote on paper and do, but California's in person vote has been more left leaning CreekDog Nov 2020 #142
Exactly. Paper ballots make it harder for manipulation by either side. Freethinker65 Nov 2020 #172
But you need to tabulate manually crimycarny Nov 2020 #237
Why do you think Trump was so outspoken about being against postal votes? Doodley Nov 2020 #11
exactly LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #20
Not to mention, Senate Republicans blocked an election security bill mtmirror Nov 2020 #36
bingo mopinko Nov 2020 #68
ALSO they blocked more money for the Post office LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #73
THIS. JudyM Nov 2020 #195
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #12
The sad fact is there are a lot of hate filled Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #14
There was a lot of that perhaps kurtcagle Nov 2020 #24
thank you. mopinko Nov 2020 #29
Exactly how would that occur? Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #33
there are lots of way to cheat, and none of them are hard. mopinko Nov 2020 #44
Yes it is. nt Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #52
dude. i live in chicago. trust me. it ain't hard. mopinko Nov 2020 #179
I'm not a dude. It really doesn't matter where you live. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #183
now where would i get proof? mopinko Nov 2020 #210
here is an explanation for florida from a former supervisor of elections questionseverything Nov 2020 #211
i didnt say nobody voted for him. mopinko Nov 2020 #25
How exactly are "they" cheating? nt Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #34
register phony voters, hack touchscreens, hack tabulators. mopinko Nov 2020 #37
Actually all that "shit" is hard. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #40
no. it isnt. mopinko Nov 2020 #51
Ok. So there are phony voters on the polling books Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #59
no. there arent. mopinko Nov 2020 #64
How many fake people? Going to need quite a Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #77
No, it's not crimycarny Nov 2020 #228
Exactly DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #127
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #156
How do you know it's not if there is no audit? crimycarny Nov 2020 #235
Not really. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #18
i didnt say nobody voted for him. mopinko Nov 2020 #26
Thank you. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #42
Perhaps the OP is arguing causality not correlation grantcart Nov 2020 #55
Biden was behind in Georgia notinkansas Nov 2020 #153
Georgia has a machine that produces a paper ballot questionseverything Nov 2020 #202
The reason Timewas Nov 2020 #19
Paper trail too. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #47
I believe this. phylny Nov 2020 #21
Same system Florida uses and we aren't going blue. nt Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #35
What they were concerned with in Fla was data storage- 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #58
Hacking a data stream to read it is one thing Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #65
And Russian hackers are really good. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #70
unless you have someone on the inside. mopinko Nov 2020 #72
It's a conspiracy theory that ranks right up Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #78
ok. you've said your piece. mopinko Nov 2020 #97
Our OWN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES say our voting systems have been hacked crimycarny Nov 2020 #236
Yes! If Biden does what Obama did, and looks into any concern that receives 200K signatures, unitedwethrive Nov 2020 #22
paper ballots probably are available in every state; we always had them yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #54
still lots of ways to cheat. mopinko Nov 2020 #173
Touchscreens Are The Reason I've Voted Absentee Since 2004 ChoppinBroccoli Nov 2020 #27
yeah, it's been a slogan around here since '04 mopinko Nov 2020 #30
The polls were correct, voting machines and ballot counting machines were hacked. KS Toronado Nov 2020 #82
put it in a drop box , not the mail. RDANGELO Nov 2020 #38
not every state has drop boxes yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #46
Mail-in ballots -- paper trail -- Biden Hekate Nov 2020 #41
We use touch screens to make selection, then the ballot is printed yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #45
I still don't believe that these scanned ballots are tamper proof. live love laugh Nov 2020 #63
if audits arent robust, it is easy to cheat. mopinko Nov 2020 #107
That's terrible. Even if one or two states were randomly audited live love laugh Nov 2020 #177
Scanned ballots are not tamper-proof. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #141
Specifically ES&S JCMach1 Nov 2020 #49
yup. mopinko Nov 2020 #61
I don't think the polls were that far off... they can't account for the cheating JCMach1 Nov 2020 #69
Yep. We're having a runoff in GA for 2 Senate seats. Time to request PAPER ballots! ecstatic Nov 2020 #50
time to demand it. mopinko Nov 2020 #76
I agree rockfordfile Nov 2020 #53
It's also why accurate exit polling doesn't match. nt live love laugh Nov 2020 #57
Yep, you can't hack paper ballots. sarcasmo Nov 2020 #60
It's about data management, storage, and WIFI. All of which can be hacked. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #67
they do a 'random' sample. mopinko Nov 2020 #71
And it does not take much to steal it. Thanks for the post. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #74
There should be no such thing as a voting machine connected to the Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #132
i tried hard to tell ppl to audit their own precincts. take a pic of the poll tape on the door. mopinko Nov 2020 #166
Agreed. Security experts were telling them to remove the modems. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #175
agree with everything you said in this thread orleans Nov 2020 #75
Texas is paper ballots...but why ruin a lazy conspiracy theory? brooklynite Nov 2020 #79
You have got to be kidding. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #128
Simple. If Trump accuses dems of rigging the election and he projects everything he himself does... Cetacea Nov 2020 #151
So I don't know what happened between the it help America vote Act, Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #129
Like I said, your information is out of date. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #130
here you are to belittle any citizen thinking elections should be transparent...right on time questionseverything Nov 2020 #213
I think that the answer is even more simple. love_katz Nov 2020 #80
then explain the polls. . mopinko Nov 2020 #85
I never said that the people are stupid. love_katz Nov 2020 #93
ah sorry mopinko Nov 2020 #171
jesus. i'm so glad ppl can finally hear me. mopinko Nov 2020 #81
I've been saying this Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #95
I totally agree we need paper ballots until sufficient election security is in place. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #83
There is not enough election security. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #89
i agree, but it's a long leap from saying that to saying votes are being changed CreekDog Nov 2020 #145
HAVA was a scam Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #84
I used to do a day on the election reform news here before it died. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #86
Under a different username. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #87
yup. mopinko Nov 2020 #88
I teach computer science. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #90
Any of my students, Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #92
and tabulators that we used here in cook co are over 20 yrs old. mopinko Nov 2020 #96
I trust the Commodore 64, Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #101
mine, too. mopinko Nov 2020 #170
When our County was considering what voting machines to use, Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #99
unfuckingbelievable mopinko Nov 2020 #180
Exactly. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #189
Bev Harris did a great job of painting herself as a kook too CreekDog Nov 2020 #146
Georgia changed from black box voting to using a touch-screen system that Politicub Nov 2020 #98
even so. a bright 10 yo mopinko Nov 2020 #100
Ain't that the simple truth. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #103
yup mopinko Nov 2020 #114
You got that right. nt miyazaki Nov 2020 #154
It's much better than what we had Politicub Nov 2020 #106
Much better than what you had? Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #111
What we had for the past 20 years was a touchscreen system with no paper trail. Politicub Nov 2020 #115
Yes yes yes. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #119
this accusation without evidence isn't helpful CreekDog Nov 2020 #102
Huh? Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #108
Greg Palast didn't allege that votes were stolen or changed on electronic machines CreekDog Nov 2020 #118
I do remember what palast wrote. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #121
You don't know anything much about computers, Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #122
ah, you can make computers lie, therefore the election that Biden is winning is being stolen CreekDog Nov 2020 #131
Then you know. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #133
Rereading your post maybe you don't know. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #134
Nah, I'm blocking you. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #137
And I would remind you, Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #124
Sheesh yourself. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #125
Cutting to immediate chase. Are PA GA AZ & NV all touch? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #105
i dont know the percentage, but mopinko Nov 2020 #109
you dont know the percentage because you just don't know at all CreekDog Nov 2020 #138
I don't know about PA AZ & NV but GA has touchscreens, crickets Nov 2020 #143
Now that we've beta tested it, I think we should adopt it wholesale for all future elections. ancianita Nov 2020 #110
Boy do I agree with that. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #113
There have been times a candidate got more votes than were voters judesedit Nov 2020 #112
yup. mopinko Nov 2020 #116
ok kids. imma go to bed now. mopinko Nov 2020 #117
Good night. Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #120
think I'll wait for some real analysis stopdiggin Nov 2020 #126
the analysis we need it for the fbi to impound machines. mopinko Nov 2020 #168
there're a lot of people on the internet stopdiggin Nov 2020 #190
well, how many states was cheato leading they started counting the mail in PAPER ballots? mopinko Nov 2020 #192
if that's your argument stopdiggin Nov 2020 #193
probable cause. mopinko Nov 2020 #194
The FBI has to be disinfected after Trump* leaves before they can do anything. nt live love laugh Nov 2020 #206
then show us an example of them stealing it CreekDog Nov 2020 #136
I believe she is saying he probably is winning by more questionseverything Nov 2020 #214
It's worse than that since the optical scanners for the handmarked paper ballots can also have diva77 Nov 2020 #144
close look speaknow Nov 2020 #148
If you have any evidence Aussie105 Nov 2020 #149
thanks for your concern. mopinko Nov 2020 #169
No we don't need to "trust" a vote counting company questionseverything Nov 2020 #203
I've been saying it since HAVA post the 2000 election. BadGimp Nov 2020 #150
That has to be how Susan Collins wins by 8 points AdamGG Nov 2020 #152
That win shocked me as well. smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #159
been screaming this for several years now. Grasswire2 Nov 2020 #158
Yep. Andy Stephenson. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #162
and when bush stole ohio, dennis hid under his desk. mopinko Nov 2020 #174
Here: PCIntern Nov 2020 #163
and ppl think they havent gotten worse why? mopinko Nov 2020 #165
I noticed a change in Delaware treestar Nov 2020 #164
Hacking Democracy: 2006 documentary Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #176
thank you. the burden of proof isnt on us. it's on them. mopinko Nov 2020 #178
Exactly! ElementaryPenguin Nov 2020 #181
Oh! I get it big time! Here in NC, we have paper ballots run through tabulators. BComplex Nov 2020 #184
yup. mopinko Nov 2020 #186
Hand counted paper ballots!! AmBlue Nov 2020 #185
Yes, but also look at registrations. They are vulnerable to alteration, Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #188
we need to dog them. mopinko Nov 2020 #191
Had it not been for COVID driving people to paper ballots, i think we would have lost. Amaryllis Nov 2020 #196
yup. mopinko Nov 2020 #197
We have ALL VBM in Oregon and we start counting a week before the election. Did you notice how Amaryllis Nov 2020 #198
1000% nt voteearlyvoteoften Nov 2020 #199
"Touch screen, touch screen, you leave no paper trail...." DFW Nov 2020 #201
. mopinko Nov 2020 #204
Europe has abandoned plans to use voting machines as they are too unreliable and hack prone. Mr. Sparkle Nov 2020 #205
Its seems like about 8 % avg nationwide of polling Tribetime Nov 2020 #207
yeah, it used to be it had to be close to cheat. mopinko Nov 2020 #208
FUCKING SPOT ON!!! nt Baltimike Nov 2020 #212
The new touch screens produce a human readable card that is then inserted into a tabulator. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #218
unless there is a robust audit, even tabulators can be hacked, mopinko Nov 2020 #219
Yep, and then even the paper ballots are hacked. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #220
as someone from chicago, i can tell you- there are many ways to cheat. mopinko Nov 2020 #221
Yes they do, but at the same time they have the ability to create a fraud free election. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #223
HAVA. The Help America Vote Act. dchill Nov 2020 #227
Exactly. Blue_Roses Nov 2020 #231
they cant rig the polls. but they can rig the count. mopinko Nov 2020 #232
Four years ago Blue_Roses Nov 2020 #233
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