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In reply to the discussion: it's the fucking touchscreens ppl. [View all]questionseverything
(11,788 posts)211. here is an explanation for florida from a former supervisor of elections
https://bradblog.com/?p=13612
Down in the critical battleground of Florida, as my guest explains today, voters may never even know if the election is stolen from them. That guest today is the legendary, former 28-year Supervisor of Elections in Leon County (Tallahassee), Florida, ION SANCHO, who was so well-respected by his peers on both the right and left he was appointed to oversee the eventually-aborted year 2000 recount between Al Gore and George W. Bush in the Sunshine State.
On Friday, Sancho sent an urgent letter [PDF] to the Supervisors of Elections in 47 of Florida's 67 counties which use wireless cellular modems to transmit precinct election results to county headquarters after the close of polls on Election Night. The letter warns that those modems --- and the Internet connections to them at the counties' central tabulators --- can be easily hacked "from anywhere in the world." If they are, he explains on today's program, it's very likely that such a hack, changing election results, would never be noticed by election officials.
"The issue is that were using equipment that is not secure," Sancho tells me. "To quote Sen. Marco Rubio, 'Many Florida election officials are arrogant over their belief that they cant be touched, that they are secure.' And this is a state that does not compare the numbers that we generate on those electrical optical scanners to the actual, physical votes on the piece of paper. Were completely dependent upon those electronic totals on Election Night."
Manual examination of hand-marked paper ballots in Florida, to make sure the reported computer tabulation was correct, is prohibited by state law. Sancho details his concerns about those modems --- which are not federally certified for use in elections --- and how the state's election officials can avoid the threat posed by this very serious vulnerability to the state's election infrastructure. Making matters worse, he notes, "We do not audit the paper ballots to confirm that the election totals are correct. And thats a huge, huge problem not just in Florida, but everywhere in the country."
"Most of the election officials were not even aware that their systems were connected [to the Internet], because the vendor [in this case, ES&S, the nation's largest] never told them. Youre almost 100% dependent upon the vendor for the information about your system. So our most public process our elections process, which is public really are controlled by private entities."
Down in the critical battleground of Florida, as my guest explains today, voters may never even know if the election is stolen from them. That guest today is the legendary, former 28-year Supervisor of Elections in Leon County (Tallahassee), Florida, ION SANCHO, who was so well-respected by his peers on both the right and left he was appointed to oversee the eventually-aborted year 2000 recount between Al Gore and George W. Bush in the Sunshine State.
On Friday, Sancho sent an urgent letter [PDF] to the Supervisors of Elections in 47 of Florida's 67 counties which use wireless cellular modems to transmit precinct election results to county headquarters after the close of polls on Election Night. The letter warns that those modems --- and the Internet connections to them at the counties' central tabulators --- can be easily hacked "from anywhere in the world." If they are, he explains on today's program, it's very likely that such a hack, changing election results, would never be noticed by election officials.
"The issue is that were using equipment that is not secure," Sancho tells me. "To quote Sen. Marco Rubio, 'Many Florida election officials are arrogant over their belief that they cant be touched, that they are secure.' And this is a state that does not compare the numbers that we generate on those electrical optical scanners to the actual, physical votes on the piece of paper. Were completely dependent upon those electronic totals on Election Night."
Manual examination of hand-marked paper ballots in Florida, to make sure the reported computer tabulation was correct, is prohibited by state law. Sancho details his concerns about those modems --- which are not federally certified for use in elections --- and how the state's election officials can avoid the threat posed by this very serious vulnerability to the state's election infrastructure. Making matters worse, he notes, "We do not audit the paper ballots to confirm that the election totals are correct. And thats a huge, huge problem not just in Florida, but everywhere in the country."
"Most of the election officials were not even aware that their systems were connected [to the Internet], because the vendor [in this case, ES&S, the nation's largest] never told them. Youre almost 100% dependent upon the vendor for the information about your system. So our most public process our elections process, which is public really are controlled by private entities."
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Yes. Agree. There could be a lot of reasons for this polling phenomenon
LymphocyteLover
Nov 2020
#230
good old fashioned ballot box stuffing. and ballots piled up in the post office.
mopinko
Nov 2020
#13
interesting to watch you two yakking back and forth about how they are stealing it
CreekDog
Nov 2020
#123
there is another thread here about trupm getting 200k more than hillary in miami dade.
mopinko
Nov 2020
#10
Florida's only paper if you order it. I waited in line for 4.5 hours in the rain to vote for John
judesedit
Nov 2020
#91
You have to tell your county Supervisor of Election office you want paper ballot sent for all
judesedit
Nov 2020
#104
I sure did notice! I kept screaming it at the TV .... Polls aren't THAT wrong,... RUSSIA!
halobeam
Nov 2020
#215
i prefer to vote on paper and do, but California's in person vote has been more left leaning
CreekDog
Nov 2020
#142
here is an explanation for florida from a former supervisor of elections
questionseverything
Nov 2020
#211
Yes! If Biden does what Obama did, and looks into any concern that receives 200K signatures,
unitedwethrive
Nov 2020
#22
paper ballots probably are available in every state; we always had them
yellowdogintexas
Nov 2020
#54
The polls were correct, voting machines and ballot counting machines were hacked.
KS Toronado
Nov 2020
#82
I don't think the polls were that far off... they can't account for the cheating
JCMach1
Nov 2020
#69
Yep. We're having a runoff in GA for 2 Senate seats. Time to request PAPER ballots!
ecstatic
Nov 2020
#50
i tried hard to tell ppl to audit their own precincts. take a pic of the poll tape on the door.
mopinko
Nov 2020
#166
Simple. If Trump accuses dems of rigging the election and he projects everything he himself does...
Cetacea
Nov 2020
#151
here you are to belittle any citizen thinking elections should be transparent...right on time
questionseverything
Nov 2020
#213
I totally agree we need paper ballots until sufficient election security is in place. nt
iluvtennis
Nov 2020
#83
i agree, but it's a long leap from saying that to saying votes are being changed
CreekDog
Nov 2020
#145
What we had for the past 20 years was a touchscreen system with no paper trail.
Politicub
Nov 2020
#115
Greg Palast didn't allege that votes were stolen or changed on electronic machines
CreekDog
Nov 2020
#118
ah, you can make computers lie, therefore the election that Biden is winning is being stolen
CreekDog
Nov 2020
#131
Now that we've beta tested it, I think we should adopt it wholesale for all future elections.
ancianita
Nov 2020
#110
well, how many states was cheato leading they started counting the mail in PAPER ballots?
mopinko
Nov 2020
#192
The FBI has to be disinfected after Trump* leaves before they can do anything. nt
live love laugh
Nov 2020
#206
It's worse than that since the optical scanners for the handmarked paper ballots can also have
diva77
Nov 2020
#144
Oh! I get it big time! Here in NC, we have paper ballots run through tabulators.
BComplex
Nov 2020
#184
Had it not been for COVID driving people to paper ballots, i think we would have lost.
Amaryllis
Nov 2020
#196
We have ALL VBM in Oregon and we start counting a week before the election. Did you notice how
Amaryllis
Nov 2020
#198
Europe has abandoned plans to use voting machines as they are too unreliable and hack prone.
Mr. Sparkle
Nov 2020
#205
The new touch screens produce a human readable card that is then inserted into a tabulator.
LiberalArkie
Nov 2020
#218
Yes they do, but at the same time they have the ability to create a fraud free election.
LiberalArkie
Nov 2020
#223