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21. Bingo. If the theory that you properly pushed back against was true, what

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 10:35 PM

Nov 2020

happened to our down ballot candidates? Why didn’t the massive blue wave sweep them to victory?

The fact is 70+ million Americans voted for a clear monster who seriously damaged the country and it’s economy over 4 years. Yes, we out voted them by around 5 million votes, but, if not for the 70,000 votes the OP listed, Trump would have been re-elected, that is scary and we really need to burrow down and understand why the election went the way it did. We had Democratic Party officials in Pennsylvania saying that Joe would win Penn by at least 150,000 votes, he won it be just over 50,000 votes.

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It's chilling to me that a total of 70,000 votes in three states [View all] Rustynaerduwell Nov 2020 OP

Now do people get it? Every freaking vote counts. marble falls Nov 2020 #1

Not only that - but the national popular vote is nearly meaningless. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #38

I think Biden is onto something - he's said there's no red and blue states anymore, just red ... marble falls Nov 2020 #46

It isn't actually proportional - but it is closer. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #48

EC votes should not be tied to congressional districts dansolo Nov 2020 #51

They are all or nothing now. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #62

Yup. Can't recall the #votes, and benld74 Nov 2020 #2

James Comey won it for him in 2016. (eom) StevieM Nov 2020 #11

I still think lots of mail got lost SoonerPride Nov 2020 #3

This thought process Dem2 Nov 2020 #7

It is not an unprovable theory that a lot of ballots did not get delivered due to PO slow downs. Amaryllis Nov 2020 #18

There really weren't that many ballots StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #40

Bingo. If the theory that you properly pushed back against was true, what Blue_true Nov 2020 #21

Not Getting Your Point ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #55

So what "unprovable conspiracies" are Democrats pushing? marble falls Nov 2020 #47

no evidence of that AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #9

Wasn't H. Clinton's three state total similar? Auggie Nov 2020 #4

That was in 2016. Joe won MI WI and PA by roughly 230,000 underpants Nov 2020 #5

Add to that win in AZ and GA by 24,000. LisaL Nov 2020 #6

I think the OP is referring to the margins for... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #8

Trump didn't win those states. LisaL Nov 2020 #10

But he did come too close for comfort. That is what the OP is getting at. nt Blue_true Nov 2020 #23

Yes, just like Hillary didn't win PA, MI and WI in '16... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #25

Ok. Yeah the total there would be more like 90,000 underpants Nov 2020 #60

Correct malaise Nov 2020 #58

Ummm no. SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #12

Even if it's 230,000 or whatever, it's still chilling. marylandblue Nov 2020 #15

What is chilling to me SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #16

The bigger picture number that should shock you is Yavin4 Nov 2020 #13

And the E.C. serves us how? (nt) klook Nov 2020 #19

It doesn't serve US, it serves the GOPer party.... it's an automatic 2 percent tilt to the right groundloop Nov 2020 #34

Biden will likely end up winning by 6+ million when all ballots are counted Celerity Nov 2020 #36

But that is not what put him in the white house. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #39

I dont follow your mahina Nov 2020 #63

Trump can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still get 306 electors. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #65

It is all California. former9thward Nov 2020 #69

Californians count. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #70

It does count. former9thward Nov 2020 #71

And California is more important than many of these swing states DSandra Nov 2020 #72

Yeah, but we're going to let some random counties in the Panhandle of Florida have more say... Yavin4 Nov 2020 #73

I recently read Sarah Kendzior's "Hiding in Plain Sight": betsuni Nov 2020 #14

A lot of people here see the 306 to 241 and they don't see how Blue_true Nov 2020 #17

We're not out of the woods yet. We have 4 years of moonscape Nov 2020 #27

I really can't rest easily knowing that 70+ million Americans voted for Trump and Blue_true Nov 2020 #30

Their culture is losing in a rapidly changing world. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #66

I agree with your basic point. The modern world is leaving them behind, so they long for a simpler Blue_true Nov 2020 #67

I agree with your basic point. The modern world is leaving them behind, so they long for a simpler Blue_true Nov 2020 #68

We need to hold on to every single voter who voted for Biden dustyscamp Nov 2020 #29

We can't have people repeating what happened in 2010, where Blue_true Nov 2020 #32

Thank you! StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #44

The problem is sleroy49 Nov 2020 #35

The problem is our democratic "consultants" fail to arm our candidates with Blue_true Nov 2020 #45

That's how I see them too, like people from Night of the Living Dead movie Beringia Nov 2020 #61

The takeaway is this... BlueIdaho Nov 2020 #20

Here is the solid case for dumping the EC. roamer65 Nov 2020 #22

No run off process...most votes wins. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #33

I don't want a president winning with a plurality anymore. roamer65 Nov 2020 #42

Explain, please mcar Nov 2020 #24

It's a sleight of hand Dem2 Nov 2020 #31

Thanks for explaining that. Sogo Nov 2020 #41

I was talking AZ, Wi and GA Rustynaerduwell Nov 2020 #50

The margins in those states will be about 45,000 Rstrstx Nov 2020 #53

Yeah I think people are getting confused because it is 3 states again but 3 DIFFERENT stages Statistical Nov 2020 #56

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2020 #52

That's what I thought it was doing mcar Nov 2020 #57

If everyone's vote matter equally for president and for Senate and for Congress Tribetime Nov 2020 #26

It's more an electoral problem than policy problem. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #28

Less than that, more like 45,000 votes Rstrstx Nov 2020 #37

Good catch! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #43

What in the world are you talking about? greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #49

45,000 (atm) AZ, WI, GA. Shift 45K votes split up correctly and Trump would have won Celerity Nov 2020 #54

It does make sense when you look at how these congressional districts have been gerrymandered IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #59

Your math doesn't add up. BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #64