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25. Yes, just like Hillary didn't win PA, MI and WI in '16...

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 10:59 PM

Nov 2020

... but if she had, she would've been the EC winner.

Meanwhile, several people mentioned the combined vote total margin for those three states in '16 -- e.g., "Only such-and-such number of votes kept her from winning the EC."

It's a bigger margin this time, not to mention both Clinton and Biden winning the national popular vote anyway, but I think it's the still fairly-narrow margin in terms of the EC that the OP was trying to describe.

Using this electoral college system is idiotic.

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It's chilling to me that a total of 70,000 votes in three states [View all] Rustynaerduwell Nov 2020 OP

Now do people get it? Every freaking vote counts. marble falls Nov 2020 #1

Not only that - but the national popular vote is nearly meaningless. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #38

I think Biden is onto something - he's said there's no red and blue states anymore, just red ... marble falls Nov 2020 #46

It isn't actually proportional - but it is closer. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #48

EC votes should not be tied to congressional districts dansolo Nov 2020 #51

They are all or nothing now. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #62

Yup. Can't recall the #votes, and benld74 Nov 2020 #2

James Comey won it for him in 2016. (eom) StevieM Nov 2020 #11

I still think lots of mail got lost SoonerPride Nov 2020 #3

This thought process Dem2 Nov 2020 #7

It is not an unprovable theory that a lot of ballots did not get delivered due to PO slow downs. Amaryllis Nov 2020 #18

There really weren't that many ballots StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #40

Bingo. If the theory that you properly pushed back against was true, what Blue_true Nov 2020 #21

Not Getting Your Point ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #55

So what "unprovable conspiracies" are Democrats pushing? marble falls Nov 2020 #47

no evidence of that AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #9

Wasn't H. Clinton's three state total similar? Auggie Nov 2020 #4

That was in 2016. Joe won MI WI and PA by roughly 230,000 underpants Nov 2020 #5

Add to that win in AZ and GA by 24,000. LisaL Nov 2020 #6

I think the OP is referring to the margins for... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #8

Trump didn't win those states. LisaL Nov 2020 #10

But he did come too close for comfort. That is what the OP is getting at. nt Blue_true Nov 2020 #23

Yes, just like Hillary didn't win PA, MI and WI in '16... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #25

Ok. Yeah the total there would be more like 90,000 underpants Nov 2020 #60

Correct malaise Nov 2020 #58

Ummm no. SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #12

Even if it's 230,000 or whatever, it's still chilling. marylandblue Nov 2020 #15

What is chilling to me SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #16

The bigger picture number that should shock you is Yavin4 Nov 2020 #13

And the E.C. serves us how? (nt) klook Nov 2020 #19

It doesn't serve US, it serves the GOPer party.... it's an automatic 2 percent tilt to the right groundloop Nov 2020 #34

Biden will likely end up winning by 6+ million when all ballots are counted Celerity Nov 2020 #36

But that is not what put him in the white house. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #39

I dont follow your mahina Nov 2020 #63

Trump can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still get 306 electors. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #65

It is all California. former9thward Nov 2020 #69

Californians count. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #70

It does count. former9thward Nov 2020 #71

And California is more important than many of these swing states DSandra Nov 2020 #72

Yeah, but we're going to let some random counties in the Panhandle of Florida have more say... Yavin4 Nov 2020 #73

I recently read Sarah Kendzior's "Hiding in Plain Sight": betsuni Nov 2020 #14

A lot of people here see the 306 to 241 and they don't see how Blue_true Nov 2020 #17

We're not out of the woods yet. We have 4 years of moonscape Nov 2020 #27

I really can't rest easily knowing that 70+ million Americans voted for Trump and Blue_true Nov 2020 #30

Their culture is losing in a rapidly changing world. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #66

I agree with your basic point. The modern world is leaving them behind, so they long for a simpler Blue_true Nov 2020 #67

I agree with your basic point. The modern world is leaving them behind, so they long for a simpler Blue_true Nov 2020 #68

We need to hold on to every single voter who voted for Biden dustyscamp Nov 2020 #29

We can't have people repeating what happened in 2010, where Blue_true Nov 2020 #32

Thank you! StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #44

The problem is sleroy49 Nov 2020 #35

The problem is our democratic "consultants" fail to arm our candidates with Blue_true Nov 2020 #45

That's how I see them too, like people from Night of the Living Dead movie Beringia Nov 2020 #61

The takeaway is this... BlueIdaho Nov 2020 #20

Here is the solid case for dumping the EC. roamer65 Nov 2020 #22

No run off process...most votes wins. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #33

I don't want a president winning with a plurality anymore. roamer65 Nov 2020 #42

Explain, please mcar Nov 2020 #24

It's a sleight of hand Dem2 Nov 2020 #31

Thanks for explaining that. Sogo Nov 2020 #41

I was talking AZ, Wi and GA Rustynaerduwell Nov 2020 #50

The margins in those states will be about 45,000 Rstrstx Nov 2020 #53

Yeah I think people are getting confused because it is 3 states again but 3 DIFFERENT stages Statistical Nov 2020 #56

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2020 #52

That's what I thought it was doing mcar Nov 2020 #57

If everyone's vote matter equally for president and for Senate and for Congress Tribetime Nov 2020 #26

It's more an electoral problem than policy problem. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #28

Less than that, more like 45,000 votes Rstrstx Nov 2020 #37

Good catch! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #43

What in the world are you talking about? greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #49

45,000 (atm) AZ, WI, GA. Shift 45K votes split up correctly and Trump would have won Celerity Nov 2020 #54

It does make sense when you look at how these congressional districts have been gerrymandered IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #59

Your math doesn't add up. BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #64