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Amishman

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32. Jeffords 2001 party flip to cause the Pubs to lose the Senate?

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:09 AM

Nov 2020

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Because that's what keeps coming to my mind

50-50 Senate.

Jeffords was a moderate Republican and opposed Bush's tax cut. It passed with the help of blue dog Dems.

Jeffords switched parties to punish the Pubs and cause them to lose the Senate.

I can absolutely see Manchin doing this if we push him to far. WV governor Justice switched in 2017 and just won reelection as a Pub.

With Manchin, he is addition by subtraction. He denies the pubs a deep red seat.Anything he does for us beyond that is a bonus.

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I keep thinking about when we get a 50-50 senate [View all] mysteryowl Nov 2020 OP

I keep thinking he will do what that guy did in the 90s. Lobo27 Nov 2020 #1

What happened in the 90's? mysteryowl Nov 2020 #2

Byrd? SPDem Nov 2020 #3

1994 I believe Shelby became a Republican. Lobo27 Nov 2020 #6

Byrd? SPDem Nov 2020 #4

Zell Miller? LowerManhattanite Nov 2020 #7

Jeffords 2001 party flip to cause the Pubs to lose the Senate? Amishman Nov 2020 #32

I doubt he will but even if he did...what difference does it make? We could never elect a different Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #39

GOP money people... LowerManhattanite Nov 2020 #5

I think Joe Manchin has a great deal of integrity. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #40

My thoughts are: moonscape Nov 2020 #8

Thanks for your comments. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #9

Not to mention Manchin will likely still vote for any democratic judges and justices. Claustrum Nov 2020 #10

Right. Manchin will vote party line for chairs and such. unblock Nov 2020 #11

Yes, making Schumer majority leader is paramount. Flaleftist Nov 2020 #12

Agreed! Step 1 is gaining control. We'll get to Manchin when we cross that bridge In It to Win It Nov 2020 #13

Exactly. Simply having bills put forth means they have to do their job. joshcryer Nov 2020 #36

Step 1: Get to 50 In It to Win It Nov 2020 #14

I heard a suggestion that Biden picks two republican senators for his administration mysteryowl Nov 2020 #16

Put up against McConnell as Majority Leader, LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #15

What a relief it will be to get rid of Moscow Mitch!!! mysteryowl Nov 2020 #17

Manchin will vote for Schumer as Majority Leader and for Democratic control of committees is the key Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #18

maybe some of the moderate republicans will vote with dems if he doesn't mysteryowl Nov 2020 #19

Maybe on legislation, but ZERO chance on the organizing vote. Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #20

At least the senate democrats could lead investigations! mysteryowl Nov 2020 #21

Only if they have 50!! Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #22

Nah, they delay things (like the ACA) and in the end never support us. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #41

If we win both runoffs I'm celebrating all night. Tribetime Nov 2020 #23

"he often votes with the republicans" brooklynite Nov 2020 #24

Brett Kavanaugh Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #25

Wow, that's right, he did that. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #27

Kavanaugh had the votes...no point in Manchin risking his seat for a 'message' vote... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #38

One vote is "often" brooklynite Nov 2020 #29

I never said often Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #31

WHEN we get a 50-50 Senate? Polybius Nov 2020 #26

It is always best to project what you want to help manifest it. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #28

A 50-50 Senate means Biden gets his Cabinet, a chance at tax reform under Reconciliation tritsofme Nov 2020 #30

A 50-50 split will empower Manchin, Collins and Murkowski Hassler Nov 2020 #33

An actual Republican in his seat would be even worse. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #34

Better to have an uncertain chance than no chance at all. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2020 #35

Leave Manchin alone...he has voted with us when it counted...and we may or may not get Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #37