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Demsrule86

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38. Kavanaugh had the votes...no point in Manchin risking his seat for a 'message' vote...

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 03:41 PM

Nov 2020

seriously, we need Manchin...go down to 270 to win and see where the opportunities are for senate seats...and don't expect the new Arizona Justices or even the Georgia ones to vote much differently than Manchin. In order to win, we need a big tent. And the trade off is we get some of what we want.

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I keep thinking about when we get a 50-50 senate [View all] mysteryowl Nov 2020 OP

I keep thinking he will do what that guy did in the 90s. Lobo27 Nov 2020 #1

What happened in the 90's? mysteryowl Nov 2020 #2

Byrd? SPDem Nov 2020 #3

1994 I believe Shelby became a Republican. Lobo27 Nov 2020 #6

Byrd? SPDem Nov 2020 #4

Zell Miller? LowerManhattanite Nov 2020 #7

Jeffords 2001 party flip to cause the Pubs to lose the Senate? Amishman Nov 2020 #32

I doubt he will but even if he did...what difference does it make? We could never elect a different Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #39

GOP money people... LowerManhattanite Nov 2020 #5

I think Joe Manchin has a great deal of integrity. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #40

My thoughts are: moonscape Nov 2020 #8

Thanks for your comments. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #9

Not to mention Manchin will likely still vote for any democratic judges and justices. Claustrum Nov 2020 #10

Right. Manchin will vote party line for chairs and such. unblock Nov 2020 #11

Yes, making Schumer majority leader is paramount. Flaleftist Nov 2020 #12

Agreed! Step 1 is gaining control. We'll get to Manchin when we cross that bridge In It to Win It Nov 2020 #13

Exactly. Simply having bills put forth means they have to do their job. joshcryer Nov 2020 #36

Step 1: Get to 50 In It to Win It Nov 2020 #14

I heard a suggestion that Biden picks two republican senators for his administration mysteryowl Nov 2020 #16

Put up against McConnell as Majority Leader, LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #15

What a relief it will be to get rid of Moscow Mitch!!! mysteryowl Nov 2020 #17

Manchin will vote for Schumer as Majority Leader and for Democratic control of committees is the key Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #18

maybe some of the moderate republicans will vote with dems if he doesn't mysteryowl Nov 2020 #19

Maybe on legislation, but ZERO chance on the organizing vote. Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #20

At least the senate democrats could lead investigations! mysteryowl Nov 2020 #21

Only if they have 50!! Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #22

Nah, they delay things (like the ACA) and in the end never support us. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #41

If we win both runoffs I'm celebrating all night. Tribetime Nov 2020 #23

"he often votes with the republicans" brooklynite Nov 2020 #24

Brett Kavanaugh Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #25

Wow, that's right, he did that. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #27

Kavanaugh had the votes...no point in Manchin risking his seat for a 'message' vote... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #38

One vote is "often" brooklynite Nov 2020 #29

I never said often Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #31

WHEN we get a 50-50 Senate? Polybius Nov 2020 #26

It is always best to project what you want to help manifest it. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #28

A 50-50 Senate means Biden gets his Cabinet, a chance at tax reform under Reconciliation tritsofme Nov 2020 #30

A 50-50 split will empower Manchin, Collins and Murkowski Hassler Nov 2020 #33

An actual Republican in his seat would be even worse. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #34

Better to have an uncertain chance than no chance at all. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2020 #35

Leave Manchin alone...he has voted with us when it counted...and we may or may not get Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #37