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In reply to the discussion: I wholeheartedly agree with this tweet. [View all]Jim__
(15,160 posts)26. There is a story that Kurt Godel when studying for his citizenship found a flaw in the Constitution
... that would allow a dictator to become president.
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As the story goes, Gödel was preparing for his US citizenship examination in 1947 when he claimed to have found a loophole in the constitution that allowed the US to elect a dictator. The actual loophole was never explained and has been the focus of much study and speculation ever since.
Gödel was accompanied to his citizenship examination by his good friends Albert Einstein (yes, the famous physicist) and economist Oskar Morgenstern (one of the founders of game theory).
They tried to discourage him from discussing dictators and loopholes, but Gödel couldnt help himself and told the citizenship examiner about the discovery. Gödel did receive his US citizenship, thanks in part to Morgensterns and Einsteins endorsement.
There is reason for scepticism about some of the details of this story but if theres one thing weve learned from the recent US election, its this: never let the truth get in the way of a convenient fiction.
In any case, the Gödel story is at least plausible. He spent a great deal of time thinking about systems of rules (axiom systems in mathematics), and looking for their limits and what such systems can say about themselves.
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As the story goes, Gödel was preparing for his US citizenship examination in 1947 when he claimed to have found a loophole in the constitution that allowed the US to elect a dictator. The actual loophole was never explained and has been the focus of much study and speculation ever since.
Gödel was accompanied to his citizenship examination by his good friends Albert Einstein (yes, the famous physicist) and economist Oskar Morgenstern (one of the founders of game theory).
They tried to discourage him from discussing dictators and loopholes, but Gödel couldnt help himself and told the citizenship examiner about the discovery. Gödel did receive his US citizenship, thanks in part to Morgensterns and Einsteins endorsement.
There is reason for scepticism about some of the details of this story but if theres one thing weve learned from the recent US election, its this: never let the truth get in the way of a convenient fiction.
In any case, the Gödel story is at least plausible. He spent a great deal of time thinking about systems of rules (axiom systems in mathematics), and looking for their limits and what such systems can say about themselves.
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If the Republican Senate would have cared to do its job earlier this year....
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Nov 2020
#1
Exactly. So much pain and suffering could have been averted. They let this happen.
Arkansas Granny
Nov 2020
#9
Constitution was not meant to be perfect and unchangeable, with changing times.
empedocles
Nov 2020
#8
Those "originalists" would be happy to deny the vote to women and people of color, apparently.
Arkansas Granny
Nov 2020
#13
If Republicans had considered country over party last year, this could have been averted.
Arkansas Granny
Nov 2020
#14
They didn't just leave him in office; they obstructed investigation and actively deceived the public
JudyM
Nov 2020
#50
Exactly. trump is an abuser, & he's abusing everyone. HE. NEEDS. TO. GO. AWAY.
AnotherMother4Peace
Nov 2020
#5
The problem is that a big Senate voting block is wildly unrepresetative of the larger population.
empedocles
Nov 2020
#7
Another huge flaw is that a state like Wyoming has the same number of senators as California
mtnsnake
Nov 2020
#15
I thought intelligence agencies were supposed to go crazy at the "Russia if you're listening" stage
bucolic_frolic
Nov 2020
#19
Is it time for a national vetting process for anyone running for national office?
KS Toronado
Nov 2020
#25
There is a story that Kurt Godel when studying for his citizenship found a flaw in the Constitution
Jim__
Nov 2020
#26
I've read that too, in the EXCELLENT book by Jim Holt, When Godel Walked With Einstein
renate
Nov 2020
#32
TOTALLY! And where the FUCK are any Republicans willing to speak out against this absolute insanity?
LymphocyteLover
Nov 2020
#30