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CrispyQ

(40,991 posts)
83. Hi neighbor! I live in CO, too!
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:17 PM
Nov 2020

IMO, this is THE best argument against forced pregnancy & I don't know why groups like NARAL don't add this to our arsenal of arguments for CHOICE.

Abortion and the 13th Amendment

2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers

snip...

I. The basic argument The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6

Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.

~more at link





Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's body than her living, breathing children?

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From an Ultrasound Technician.... [View all] Heartstrings Nov 2020 OP
This is exactly why I am for ZERO cost abortion on demand at any time during a pregnancy. roamer65 Nov 2020 #1
I'm a rational human being and I approve this message. AZ8theist Nov 2020 #6
At any time for any reason? PTWB Nov 2020 #19
Fortunately, your "hypothetical" never happens Hekate Nov 2020 #27
Exactly. roamer65 Nov 2020 #61
Anacephalic babies can't give signal to start labor and burrowowl Nov 2020 #64
When the issue of "partial birth abortions" came up before the US Congress it was utterly outrageous Hekate Nov 2020 #65
Right, because women frequently decide a week or so before the due PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #36
I feel like you didn't read the post in it's entirety. PTWB Nov 2020 #46
I did read it in its PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #55
Hmm. Did you? PTWB Nov 2020 #57
And we said,"you can decide for you " period questionseverything Nov 2020 #59
Points VERY well-taken. calimary Nov 2020 #78
Yes, any time, any reason. roamer65 Nov 2020 #53
good post. fyi, I had 2 miscarriages. One time a doctor read in my demigoddess Nov 2020 #2
Scolded...scolded... ret5hd Nov 2020 #5
I hope you got a different doctor MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #7
Any doctor who doesn't understand that spontaneous abortion miscarriage Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #14
What a moron TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #20
how long ago was this? Takket Nov 2020 #43
late 60s and it was a doctor in a military facility. demigoddess Nov 2020 #97
What an ahole and sorry you had to go through this Hav Nov 2020 #76
It's NEVER about the health of the mother. Or the fetus. AZ8theist Nov 2020 #3
This dflprincess Nov 2020 #29
No, it's about turning white women into baby-making machines (see Lebensborn) turtleblossom Nov 2020 #38
No, rich white women will always have access to abortion... AZ8theist Nov 2020 #51
Free, on demand, at any time, without apology. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #4
Incredible WiscNastyWoman Nov 2020 #8
So glad you came in from the cold to join us officially. Welcome! niyad Nov 2020 #10
Welcome to DU bdamomma Nov 2020 #21
Welcome to DU. nt littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #33
Thank you! Heartstrings Nov 2020 #77
Pass the Equal Rights for Women Amendment procon Nov 2020 #9
Hear! Hear! ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #35
+1,000,000 ancianita Nov 2020 #69
Huge kick and rec.!!!!! love_katz Nov 2020 #11
It's always been about controlling women. mountain grammy Nov 2020 #12
The opponents of abortion oppose it not because it's "baby killing" RVN VET71 Nov 2020 #13
well, it's marketed as baby killing and it wins a lot of votes for them LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #26
Yes, it is marketed that way. lonely bird Nov 2020 #31
Yeah, and I don't know why that argument from Dems, never gets any traction LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #39
Dems are timid and easily terrified of saying something that will lose votes RVN VET71 Dec 2020 #98
I hear you! Always the liberals lament-- how cowering this party is LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #99
It's also about race. roamer65 Nov 2020 #62
Just a note... Duppers Nov 2020 #89
K&R. Excellent for reference. Bookmarking. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2020 #15
Where is the just compensation for the government taking over a woman's body? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #16
A government that an ban abortion can require abortion. SharonAnn Nov 2020 #71
Thank you cp Nov 2020 #17
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #18
Excellent post bdamomma Nov 2020 #22
"I Can't Believe I Still Have to Protest This Shit" Hekate Nov 2020 #23
If men could get pregnant locks Nov 2020 #24
100% this will kill women ... it's evil LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #25
Thank you for a very important and scientific perspective that we rarely hear in such detail. Nitram Nov 2020 #28
K&R betsuni Nov 2020 #30
Superb post! Thank you for showing and telling the truth. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 #32
Excellent post, and Sogo Nov 2020 #34
Kicked and recommended. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #37
How about this? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #40
And child support should begin when a heartbeat is detected. Heartstrings Nov 2020 #42
Well, since doing DNA testing that early might PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #44
That'll work! Heartstrings Nov 2020 #47
I'd say between 14-16 Retrograde Nov 2020 #50
I'd be willing to go along with that, because PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #56
I've used my nuggets responsibly. roamer65 Nov 2020 #63
"all men must have their DNA on file Pantagruel Nov 2020 #74
I call that film, Shamer vs Shamer wnylib Nov 2020 #84
it's interesting how so many anti-abortion activists are also against contraception AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #41
I know. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #45
Ironically it's usually the so called "pro life" people who refuse to wear masks to protect others StarryNite Nov 2020 #48
Re-post: UTUSN Nov 2020 #49
I have a question. Some of the misdeveloped fetuses mentioned in the OP napi21 Nov 2020 #52
Doctors and parents both will go to incredible lengths to save micro-preemies... Hekate Nov 2020 #58
Thank you so much for your response to my post. I'm with you in that I've never napi21 Nov 2020 #60
is there anything even slightly "ethical" stopdiggin Nov 2020 #87
K&R spanone Nov 2020 #54
BUBUTBUT EVERY baby is a gerber baby. pansypoo53219 Nov 2020 #66
Thank you for posting. LittleGirl Nov 2020 #67
Kick lunasun Nov 2020 #68
SAVED AND BOOKMARKED!!! Grins Nov 2020 #70
Pro-life is a myth. Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #72
They want the Alabama abortion ban to fail in court. JohnnyRingo Nov 2020 #73
Finally, after all these posts, wnylib Nov 2020 #85
One good thing to consider... JohnnyRingo Nov 2020 #86
Who decides whether to accept a case? How is wnylib Nov 2020 #90
I'm not sure how cases are decided to be heard.... JohnnyRingo Nov 2020 #94
Sometime before Roberts retires or dies, maybe wnylib Nov 2020 #96
Between a woman and her Doctor!! marieo1 Nov 2020 #75
I loathe these self-righteous a-holes. CrispyQ Nov 2020 #79
This is excellent. kag Nov 2020 #80
Hi neighbor! I live in CO, too! CrispyQ Nov 2020 #83
Saving this post along with the OP. Duppers Nov 2020 #91
Politicians failed Law 101 noneof_theabove Nov 2020 #81
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #82
Sena's post needs to be printed in papers across the country. Duppers Nov 2020 #88
My dear Duppers Bayard Nov 2020 #92
Thank you so much. Duppers Nov 2020 #93
That's horrible! kag Nov 2020 #95
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