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edhopper

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102. Considering the falsehoods spewed daily by

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 10:01 AM

Dec 2020

the President of the United States and embraced by his tens of millions of followers. Why do people have a problem with the idea that a story from the first century AD might be an elaborate fabrication.

If in 2000 years they only have the histories written by Newt Gingrich and Dinesh D'Sousa, should they be proof what is happening now?

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Was Jesus real? [View all] AmyStrange Dec 2020 OP

A carpenter in a stone house? tirebiter Dec 2020 #1

No, no. Fred drove heavy equipment at a quarry. ;-) Ilsa Dec 2020 #5

I thought Fred rode on heavy animals that disappeared before humans arrived? NotANeocon Dec 2020 #27

Oh, yeah, that was it. The brontosaurus Ilsa Dec 2020 #103

Wait, weren't the Flintstones a documentary? marie999 Dec 2020 #129

Every single time some "proof" of the existence of Jesus PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #2

No. Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #92

Pilate had a tablet back then? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #106

And yet the world's leading expert on the Jesus mythology Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #107

Yes, I Tend To Think RobinA Dec 2020 #112

Well where else would you turn for knowledge of antiquity jcgoldie Dec 2020 #3

I know. I was surprised... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #6

I would use achived onethatcares Dec 2020 #96

I'm logging this with reports about finding Noah's Ark. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2020 #4

Somebody told me that's in Kentucky... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #8

Ah. The Ark Encounter. The giant wast of tax payers dollars. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2020 #11

At least the boat builders made money... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #51

We knew someone that went searching for the ark. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #99

Absolute and complete "Drumph Facts". NotANeocon Dec 2020 #7

I'd like to see all that corroborating evidence too, but... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #9

The late JC always makes me remember Robert A. Heinlein's - NotANeocon Dec 2020 #22

I have to read that damn book sometime soon... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #26

Nah. He was a human orphan raised by Martians. But clearly a very cool guy... Hekate Dec 2020 #123

"...follow the tracks of his early believers..." AmyStrange Dec 2020 #127

Elaine Pagels has put in a lifetime of academic research that I find highly readable... Hekate Dec 2020 #136

I remember reading about that book, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #141

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You threw them away in the garbage by accident. AmyStrange Dec 2020 #18

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Well then, you should buy me a ticket, and then keep the winnings... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #78

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Not good at material things - NotANeocon Dec 2020 #24

The best they can come up with is that there was COLGATE4 Dec 2020 #42

"They want their money back if you're alive at 33" - Bono Roland99 Dec 2020 #125

The Romans/Pontius Pilate kept good records. There must be references to him somewhere in... brush Dec 2020 #54

LOL, It's all spelled out in 'The Gospel according to Pontius Pilate' by James R. Mills Brother Buzz Dec 2020 #67

I have no idea about such a book but an actual Pilate was the governor of Judaea. brush Dec 2020 #72

Yes, and rumors he retired to a comfortable villa on the Iberian Peninsula Brother Buzz Dec 2020 #80

For years the Jesus mythology side stated Pilate Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #94

was it being charged? onethatcares Dec 2020 #95

I'm still trying to determine if Pontius operated aircraft or ships Brother Buzz Dec 2020 #124

If this is his birthplace edhopper Dec 2020 #12

Because it's fun, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #14

Yeah edhopper Dec 2020 #17

I have read that there is no evidence of a Nazareth in existence at the time assigned to Jesus. When Karadeniz Dec 2020 #13

All good points, but... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #15

or was it just written decades later edhopper Dec 2020 #19

I think there's a three, four hundred year gap... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #21

mostl likely written edhopper Dec 2020 #29

I wonder where they got the gospel stories from... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #31

Some parts of Sundays newspapers contradict each other, to be fair greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #62

I think there may have been a Jesus, but not as described in scripture. Perhaps a psychic medium Karadeniz Dec 2020 #55

Wow! That was interesting, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #70

Yikes...I answered you, but it's later down, #55 I think... Sorry! Karadeniz Dec 2020 #56

Yikes...I answered you, but it's later down, #55 I think... Sorry! Karadeniz Dec 2020 #57

Right, there was no historical Nazareth. Ligyron Dec 2020 #33

If Christians were aware of descriptions of Jesus's brother, James! Never cut his hair. Vegan. No Karadeniz Dec 2020 #58

There ya go. Ligyron Dec 2020 #109

... Nevilledog Dec 2020 #16

Ok, that's funny! AmyStrange Dec 2020 #20

Do you really think - NotANeocon Dec 2020 #34

+1 dalton99a Dec 2020 #25

An LDS church near here has a Jesus pic that looks like a blond haired surfer dude with brewens Dec 2020 #50

Seems like there are always sensational stories like this right before Christmas and Easter wishstar Dec 2020 #23

That's true... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #28

Strange - NotANeocon Dec 2020 #40

Dec 21 this year will be rare sight of Jupiter and Saturn merging to become super bright wishstar Dec 2020 #53

The historical Jesus is well documented. joshcryer Dec 2020 #30

No, he is not. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #35

Exactly A HERETIC I AM Dec 2020 #45

Isn't Pontius Pilate mentioned in the Bible? The Romans kept good, written records. brush Dec 2020 #59

There's ample evidence he existed: joshcryer Dec 2020 #66

From your source: Squinch Dec 2020 #88

I just think he was a cool dude... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #47

Jesus was a racist, according the Gospel of Matthew. Mariana Dec 2020 #60

Could be... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #83

Like I said, according to the Gospel of Matthew. Mariana Dec 2020 #84

With everything written about him... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #85

Sigh! Yes Jesus was real.. Peacetrain Dec 2020 #116

Jesus was a raving left wing lunatic... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #121

It was a test of faith. Jesus use rhetoric a lot. joshcryer Dec 2020 #130

There is substantial evidence that the historical Jesus existed grantcart Dec 2020 #49

There is some evidence edhopper Dec 2020 #98

They found the Flying Spaghetti Monster last week. sarcasmo Dec 2020 #32

The damn thing escaped from my cellar last night, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #38

I've always been more partial to Her Horniness the IPU. NotANeocon Dec 2020 #44

Jesus may have been a historical person, but c'mon man! Talitha Dec 2020 #36

I remember that episode... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #39

Here is the best book on the subject, by far in my opinion... blitzen Dec 2020 #37

I read that book. It's very interesting and very informative... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #41

Yes, it gives quite a rich account of the whole cultural/historical situation. n/t blitzen Dec 2020 #46

Whether Jesus was real or not...There is no such thing as divinity. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #43

I agree, Divine Fudge does ROCK!!! AmyStrange Dec 2020 #48

Try telling that to us all who've had a sneak peak at the other side. We can't convince you, you Karadeniz Dec 2020 #61

Nope you can't. Not asking you to believe anything. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #97

I was given Demerol to relax me before an operation. marie999 Dec 2020 #137

It's a cool sounding word, however Dem2 Dec 2020 #63

It's like when people tell me "God is Real." I say, "Where's the evidence?" Crickets. rickyhall Dec 2020 #52

God is gravity... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #64

OK, just because someone wrote "Jesus was here" on Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2020 #65

Could've been your cousin, but... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #68

Yes. Xolodno Dec 2020 #81

Interesting, and.. AmyStrange Dec 2020 #82

But Josephus was written edhopper Dec 2020 #101

There is no direct, contemporary evidence attesting the existence or historicity of Jesus Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #86

The man, perhaps JesterCS Dec 2020 #87

No more real than Zeus and the gang Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #89

This reminds of the Kudzu thread along with the Olive Garden ones. GoneOffShore Dec 2020 #90

Yeah, he's hiding in my basement. Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #91

Does he smoke pot? AmyStrange Dec 2020 #145

He is real, and there are many of him. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #93

My husband, who is Jewish, says Jews call Jesus "a nice Jewish boy." MoonRiver Dec 2020 #100

No, they do not DavidDvorkin Dec 2020 #110

I wasn't born Jewish. That's what he told me. MoonRiver Dec 2020 #111

Maybe it has to do with the liberal Judaism of his parents DavidDvorkin Dec 2020 #115

Yes I think that's probably it. MoonRiver Dec 2020 #119

I turned out an atheist who rejects and ignores all of it DavidDvorkin Dec 2020 #122

I heard somewhere that he's considered a prophet by some in Judaism, but... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #128

Considering the falsehoods spewed daily by edhopper Dec 2020 #102

I Don't Have A Problem RobinA Dec 2020 #113

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Christianity came about at the Council of Nicaea IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #148

Maybe. He would have just been a man who co-opted and Politicub Dec 2020 #104

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Spoiler alert: it's not real. Politicub Dec 2020 #142

SPOILER ALERT: People have come back from the dead before... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #147

fireplace portrait? utility bills? brooklynite Dec 2020 #105

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As the joke in the 70's said MurrayDelph Dec 2020 #108

I don't get the joke? AmyStrange Dec 2020 #139

Explained MurrayDelph Dec 2020 #149

I think so. But at the same time, I think that mvd Dec 2020 #114

THAT is so true, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #135

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I believe he existed JonLP24 Dec 2020 #120

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I'm an atheist but I believe Jesus existed lanlady Dec 2020 #126

Makes sense to me, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #134

does it matter? 0rganism Dec 2020 #131

Nope, but... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #133

Which one? White Jesus? or Black Jesus? lindysalsagal Dec 2020 #143

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