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NotANeocon

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24. "DefundThe police"?It is - and will remain - an inane meaningless slogan without definitive meaning.

Reply to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2020, 07:31 PM

Dec 2020

There are many many ways of saying "re-purpose Police budgets" but the originators refused to adopt reason.

After being destroyed for years by Frank Luntz and his contribution to "Rethug Daily Talking Points" you would think progressives had at least learned how to do the same and how to recognize and correct when they have royally fucked up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz

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No one can explain "Defund the Police" or "Abolish the Police" as well as activists can. [View all] StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 OP

Thus demonstrating why it's a bad slogan. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #1

Exactly right Rorey Dec 2020 #4

Exactly wrong. StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #9

No, slogans like that make it easy to dismiss the problem and possible solutions. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #10

Only if you don't care about the problem. StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #12

This is not about "bashing Democratic activists" it's about the effectiveness of a slogan. PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #13

Democratic activists say they love the slogan and it's the perfect slogan. StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #14

Because to you disagreeing is "bashing" - and you wonder why you can't have a productive dialog. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #15

Thank you.. that's exactly what's happening Cha Dec 2020 #40

Stop the naivete. That's the biggest vote loser slogan ever. Ever. brush Dec 2020 #21

Do you have a single point of data to support this claim? StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #63

12 of them. 12, count 'em, 12 House seats lost. brush Dec 2020 #64

If the Dems had embraced the causes of the left, they would have won seats StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #65

Is comprehension a problem? No one said Dems ran on defund the police. brush Dec 2020 #66

You still have no data to support your claim? StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #70

Are you still with this old argument? We lost 12 House seats, almost our whole... brush Dec 2020 #71

Good, then you admit you're wrong, and you have nothing to prove this crazy claim. StrictlyRockers Dec 2020 #72

Sorry, but I'm not willing to get used to losing elections Rorey Dec 2020 #25

I think the mistake is in thinking that every voter is willing to invest time and energy Rorey Dec 2020 #30

Hoo boy. No wonder our republic is on the brink of death. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #35

Obamacare is harder to explain wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #18

Explaining A Slogan? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #2

If you are explaining, you are losing. Blue_true Dec 2020 #51

While you're insisting on that slogan, why not shoot yourself in the foot for good measure? Squinch Dec 2020 #3

Correct. It alienates potential allies. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #19

Which is why they have failed to move the needle. DinahMoeHum Dec 2020 #5

Exactly. De-militarize is good. Anything is better than defund the police which... brush Dec 2020 #22

Wa-a-a-a-ait a second gratuitous Dec 2020 #6

I watched the video. I spent the 77 seconds. Silent3 Dec 2020 #8

Ya want a slogan that's a positive winner and doesn't have to be explained. brush Dec 2020 #23

Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2020, by race Klaralven Dec 2020 #7

Defund the Police is poor marketing but we are stuck with it now. PTWB Dec 2020 #11

Only if you want to lose the house in 22. We should find a better way. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #17

Nah. PTWB Dec 2020 #34

Sure...a 'slogan' can destroy the strongest of candidates. That is what you don't see. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #59

Change the narrative. PTWB Dec 2020 #61

What leads you to allege we're stuck with it and it's "the right thing to do" LanternWaste Dec 2020 #20

We're not stuck with anything Rorey Dec 2020 #27

one thing I do know quickesst Dec 2020 #16

"DefundThe police"?It is - and will remain - an inane meaningless slogan without definitive meaning. NotANeocon Dec 2020 #24

I'm thinking it's a pride thing Rorey Dec 2020 #28

It's a cost thing - NotANeocon Dec 2020 #31

I agree, and the biggest cost is in time and effort Rorey Dec 2020 #32

The activist scene needs people with marketing experience DSandra Dec 2020 #26

People with marketing experience don't become street activists, because they have figured out Blue_true Dec 2020 #52

People with marketing experience don't become street activists, because they have figured out Blue_true Dec 2020 #53

And I would add they need experience in winning elections and what it takes. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #60

Which is why "abolish the police" is a better one. It speaks for itself. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #29

No it does not speak for itself! NotANeocon Dec 2020 #33

It means what it says tho. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #36

Not at 3AM when your house is being invaded by thugs! NotANeocon Dec 2020 #39

Why, what are the cops going to do? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #41

Righttt NotANeocon Dec 2020 #44

Nah, just sharing what I know. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #46

What are they going to do? Seriously, these scenarios are so rare and even more rarely end... Humanist_Activist Dec 2020 #43

'Thugs'? sheshe2 Dec 2020 #50

NO - you will NOT steal my words and language to silence me. NotANeocon Dec 2020 #54

Do you ever watch the news? sheshe2 Dec 2020 #55

Parse "news" NotANeocon Dec 2020 #56

"Your bullshit link is totally without proper proof or reference and therefore without authority." sheshe2 Dec 2020 #58

HMMMMM NotANeocon Dec 2020 #62

Slogans are like jokes AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #37

another aidbo Dec 2020 #38

Referto Post 37 NotANeocon Dec 2020 #42

It is not a slogan, it is a policy demand. aidbo Dec 2020 #45

Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats Gothmog Dec 2020 #47

Biden ean explicitly against defund BGBD Dec 2020 #48

I'm going back to the original slogan: maxsolomon Dec 2020 #49

CORRECT. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #57

It if needs to be explained, it's a shitty slogan. SMC22307 Dec 2020 #67

Always argue with the other side's fool. gulliver Dec 2020 #68

If your explaining you're losing Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #69