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In reply to the discussion: "Trump in the end will be shown to have been the most damaging Cold War traitor since the Rosenbergs [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)40. The book and other revelations about David Greenglass cuts both ways
Greenglass admitted that he lied and released Grand Jury transcripts show that Ruth lied. It shows that the evidence of Ethels' involvement was fabricated.
It also confirms however that Julius was instrumental in recruiting both David and Ruth Greenglass undermining the whole "Julius is a scapegoat theme".
You might find the following from the Rosenberg's children letter to the NYT after the Roberts book came out interesting:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/opinion/the-meeropol-brothers-exonerate-our-mother-ethel-rosenberg.html
Even now, some observers insist that both Julius and Ethel recommended the recruitment of Ruth as a spy and that Ethel had knowledge of and agreed with her husbands activities.
It is impossible to prove that someone played no role in a secret conspiracy. Yes, the evidence indicates that Ethel was at least generally aware of Juliuss activities. When Julius importuned Ruth to ask David to spy, Ethel encouraged her, according to Ruth. The K.G.B. files, however, tell a different story. They report that Ruth felt it was a privilege to be asked. They also note that rather than encouraging Ruth, Ethel urged caution. Assuming the K.G.B. files accuracy, this could indicate that Ethel, rather than Ruth, was the reluctant one, or it could have been part of Ethels effort to protect the secrecy of their work.
Other skeptics point to the Venona intercepts, intelligence cables from Soviet agents in the 1940s that were released in 1995. One snippet stated that Liberal Juliuss code name and his wife recommended Ruth. (Scholars mostly agree that the intercepts show that Julius was a spy, but dont agree on the extent of Ethels involvement.)
There is evidence that Ethel was actively supporting Julius's spying but there isn't enough to support a conviction.
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"Trump in the end will be shown to have been the most damaging Cold War traitor since the Rosenbergs [View all]
highplainsdem
Dec 2020
OP
And if this weren't Bizarro World, we'd totally prosecute a president for treason
catrose
Dec 2020
#67
Ironic. Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn made it his mission to have both Rosenbergs executed,
no_hypocrisy
Dec 2020
#2
Julius Rosenberg was an active and valued Soviet agent. Ethel knew of his work.
grantcart
Dec 2020
#37
+1, my understanding was they were also involved in sharing radar signature information to Russian
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#60
+1, the Russians are great at playing the long game and getting bang for their buck
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#64
The Walker family was really bad too. Giving all sub locations, radio freqs and pass codes to Russia
TheBlackAdder
Dec 2020
#8
Exactly. But the GOPers have a Get Out of Jail Free card tattooed to their butts. nt
Irish_Dem
Dec 2020
#24
lol Rosenbergs... those were ordinary citizens with little power; here is a traitor in chief
AlexSFCA
Dec 2020
#22
Still not a peep from Trump about the incredibly damaging Russia/SolarWinds hack,...
LudwigPastorius
Dec 2020
#30
There's still going to be an awful lot of 2021 left after the celebrations die down.
BobTheSubgenius
Dec 2020
#39
More participants/ supporters now. Cult of millions are FINE with it. No qualms about torture/ death
Evolve Dammit
Dec 2020
#61