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Showing Original Post only (View all)I've never seen guff heaped on AOC directed against moderates who tried to replace Speaker Pelosi [View all]
...and I've never seen AOC advocate or vote against Speaker Pelosi.
...but these House moderates in 2011:
Nineteen Democrats, including two members of the California delegation, registered public protest votes against her leadership Wednesday by supporting another Member for Speaker. Overall, 173 Democrats supported Pelosi as House leader, while all 241 Republicans in the new majority backed Rep. John Boehner (Ohio).
The Pelosi defections highlight the work the California Democrat still must do to bring her diverse Caucus together in the wake of the Nov. 2 elections that cost her party House control. Many moderates remain unhappy with her decision to run for Minority Leader in the 112th Congress, thinking it was time for a shake-up at the top. In November, Pelosi beat back what was largely a symbolic challenge from Rep. Heath Shuler for the top Democratic job. Shuler, a leading Blue Dog Democrat from North Carolina, challenged Pelosi again Wednesday, securing 11 votes including his own. He got the backing of Reps. Jason Altmire (Pa.), Dan Boren (Okla.), Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Tim Holden (Pa.), Larry Kissell (N.C.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Mike McIntyre (N.C.), Mike Michaud (Maine) and Mike Ross (Ark.).
https://www.rollcall.com/2011/01/05/pelosis-splintered-support-goes-on-display/
...and here comes Democratic moderate Elizabeth Slotkin, refusing to vote for Speaker Pelosi THIS YEAR without a peep from these heroes saving our party from AOC:
Democratic congresswoman takes aim at Nancy Pelosi: 'We need new leadership'
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi continues to take fire from members of her own caucus, as Michigan Rep. Elissa Slotkin is now stating she will not vote for the San Francisco Democrat in Pelosi's bid for another team as Speaker of the House.
I will not be voting for Nancy Pelosi, Slotkin told Politico. I have no idea if people are gonna run against her, or who might run against her. And I will of course have this conversation directly with her. But I believe we need new leadership. I would love to see more Midwesterners, because if you look across the leadership. I respect these people, but its New York and California.
Slotkin, who flipped the red district that encompasses Lansing in 2018 and won re-election in 2020, sharply criticized her party's messaging ahead of the 2020 election. She stated that the party's lack of a central message left House incumbents vulnerable to Republican attacks on "defund the police" and "socialism."
The brand of the national Democratic Party is mushy," she said. "People dont know what we stand for, what were about. So, every two years when the new flavor of attack comes out, its easy to convince a portion of the population that those attacks are true, because they still dont know our brand."
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Elissa-Slotkin-Nancy-Pelosi-House-Speaker-vote-Dem-15730978.php
...these are people who insist they know what our party should represent, but they struggle to win their own races, blaming Democrats who regulary win theirs.
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I've never seen guff heaped on AOC directed against moderates who tried to replace Speaker Pelosi [View all]
bigtree
Dec 2020
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My memory is quite different. Those "moderates" who tried to see Pelosi replaced were excoriated...
hlthe2b
Dec 2020
#1
I struggle with this post. And then I realized. I can't name the moderates. I know they exist but
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#3
Elissa Slotkin was criticized here on DU for that comment. For some reason every time I try an....
George II
Dec 2020
#78
Wonder why moderates would want Pelosi replaced?. Could it be because she is progressive?
boston bean
Dec 2020
#4
You'd have to do an archive search for 2018. I encourage you to do so to reassure yourself.
hlthe2b
Dec 2020
#5
I do know the ringleaders were absolutely excoriated. Search, including Tim Ryan, Seth Moulton
hlthe2b
Dec 2020
#15
I direct you to 2018 because that was when she faced opposiition to reelection and won
hlthe2b
Dec 2020
#16
You do know that 40 moderates gave us the House in 18. Any many lost this year endangering
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#17
And yet the progressives who support M4A won re-election and the moderates didn't. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Dec 2020
#36
You should see some of the literature and door hangers circulation Georgia these days....
George II
Dec 2020
#132
I remember seeing that here, even at Kathleen Rice (I was upset with her then, too) and....
George II
Dec 2020
#77
"and I've never seen AOC advocate or vote against Speaker Pelosi." From Wednesday of this week:
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#6
"I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party," Ocasio-Cortez said.
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#40
taking a quote out of context is a curious way of making something said 'clear'
bigtree
Dec 2020
#49
The speaker of the House is chosen by the Democrats in the House, because they know
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#52
No one stated that she did call for the immediate replacement of Speaker Pelosi.
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#86
Bigtree said that she never said that... because the quote wasn't include in the Intercept article.
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#87
Yes. As direct as one can be. Bashing the Democratic House leader. There's only one....
George II
Dec 2020
#103
I am being specific. She never mentioned Democratic "Party" leadership, she was talking about....
George II
Dec 2020
#109
It is not so subtly pointing out that Democratic House and Senate leadership failed.
George II
Dec 2020
#115
Wow, if that's a sample of it, I'm shocked. Almost sounds like trump with his "white suburban" crap.
George II
Dec 2020
#95
And yet the one you speak of thinks the "big tent" of the Democratic Party is too big, so I guess...
George II
Dec 2020
#96
You know that, definitionally, a primary is two people of the same party
Cuthbert Allgood
Dec 2020
#41
No, saying that leadership should be replaces is not like running against a member of your
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#44
It's hard being corrected, I understand. And being corrected every time one doubles down
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#74
"I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party," Ocasio-Cortez said.
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#64
She said that she didn't want to be the new Speaker, but still said leadership needed
ehrnst
Dec 2020
#63
AOC, and those who think like her, are the future of the party and of America
Fiendish Thingy
Dec 2020
#37
I get tired of people complaining about how the DNC or House/Senate Democrats run campaigns.
LiberalFighter
Dec 2020
#31
Remember a guy named Tim Ryan? There was still 'guff' when he ran for president.
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#65
Not only did Slotkin flip a red district blue, but she is also a hard core liberal.
lapucelle
Dec 2020
#68
Slotkin's voting record shows her to be a liberal. Opinion writers may assume
lapucelle
Dec 2020
#89
She's a problem solver with a liberal voting record, and I'm "cute" when I "pretend".
lapucelle
Dec 2020
#98
So when and where did she "undercut the House leadership"? You claiming she's a FAKE liberal....
George II
Dec 2020
#101
Debbie Dingell is a "proud" member of the Problem Solvers Caucus too - is she a "moderate"?
George II
Dec 2020
#122
Representative Darren Soto of Florida is also a member of both the Congressional....
George II
Dec 2020
#131
She ran as a moderate. I sent you the article. That is why she is still in office.
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#105
If congressional Dems could somehow channel that same anti-AOC energy against McConnell
Yavin4
Dec 2020
#79
Pelosi IS a liberal. So it makes sense why those from conservative distrcts might not support her
JI7
Dec 2020
#94