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13. It's hard to be a liberal these days!

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Fri Dec 18, 2020, 03:00 PM

Dec 2020

Has been since Reagan.

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I've never seen guff heaped on AOC directed against moderates who tried to replace Speaker Pelosi [View all] bigtree Dec 2020 OP

My memory is quite different. Those "moderates" who tried to see Pelosi replaced were excoriated... hlthe2b Dec 2020 #1

where are these posts bigtree Dec 2020 #2

I struggle with this post. And then I realized. I can't name the moderates. I know they exist but Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #3

I really did think someone would say SOMETHING bigtree Dec 2020 #34

Elissa Slotkin was criticized here on DU for that comment. For some reason every time I try an.... George II Dec 2020 #78

I searched under "mushy" and got a bunch of recipes intheflow Dec 2020 #127

Wonder why moderates would want Pelosi replaced?. Could it be because she is progressive? boston bean Dec 2020 #4

You'd have to do an archive search for 2018. I encourage you to do so to reassure yourself. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #5

it's not the same level of opposition, not at all bigtree Dec 2020 #7

I do know the ringleaders were absolutely excoriated. Search, including Tim Ryan, Seth Moulton hlthe2b Dec 2020 #15

I direct you to 2018 because that was when she faced opposiition to reelection and won hlthe2b Dec 2020 #16

Four Years? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #8

2 years then bigtree Dec 2020 #11

Excuse Me? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #14

so you think personalizing my mistake makes your case? bigtree Dec 2020 #24

+1 sheshe2 Dec 2020 #108

You do know that 40 moderates gave us the House in 18. Any many lost this year endangering Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #17

you do realize that's less than the majority bigtree Dec 2020 #21

"Some" blame, huh. Well that seals it. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #22

And yet the progressives who support M4A won re-election and the moderates didn't. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #36

Yeah--in mostly deep-blue districts. nt Jamaal510 Dec 2020 #118

You should see some of the literature and door hangers circulation Georgia these days.... George II Dec 2020 #132

Why do you trash Democratic Moderates. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #112

You're exactly right! ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2020 #20

It's the same victimhood script every time as well Sympthsical Dec 2020 #48

I remember seeing that here, even at Kathleen Rice (I was upset with her then, too) and.... George II Dec 2020 #77

"and I've never seen AOC advocate or vote against Speaker Pelosi." From Wednesday of this week: ehrnst Dec 2020 #6

that report was false bigtree Dec 2020 #9

Interesting Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #38

"I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party," Ocasio-Cortez said. ehrnst Dec 2020 #40

taking a quote out of context is a curious way of making something said 'clear' bigtree Dec 2020 #49

You mention Politco and link to the Intercept? sheshe2 Dec 2020 #110

This is a very strange thread Hekate Dec 2020 #121

ymmv bigtree Dec 2020 #123

That report was 100% true, not false at all. George II Dec 2020 #113

Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #10

Most Democrats have and do support Speaker Pelosi Progressive dog Dec 2020 #12

The speaker of the House is chosen by the Democrats in the House, because they know ehrnst Dec 2020 #52

It's hard to be a liberal these days! ananda Dec 2020 #13

SAT WHAT ?! zebrapa Dec 2020 #18

This AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #26

find me ONE quote that's a 'direct shot' at the Speaker bigtree Dec 2020 #27

"I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party" - AOC, 12/16 ehrnst Dec 2020 #54

an obvious distortion of her discussion bigtree Dec 2020 #59

"I do think we need new leadership in the Democratic Party" - AOC, 12/16 ehrnst Dec 2020 #60

you're dead wrong bigtree Dec 2020 #71

"I do think we need new leadership in the Democratic Party" - AOC, 12/16 ehrnst Dec 2020 #73

I agree with bigtree. PTWB Dec 2020 #83

Is there anyone who doesn't think... tonedevil Dec 2020 #84

No one stated that she did call for the immediate replacement of Speaker Pelosi. ehrnst Dec 2020 #86

Speaker Pelosi... tonedevil Dec 2020 #92

You're absolutely right, bigtree. PTWB Dec 2020 #82

Bigtree said that she never said that... because the quote wasn't include in the Intercept article. ehrnst Dec 2020 #87

Curious, why do you only cut out one sentence of the quote? PTWB Dec 2020 #88

Right in your own post: George II Dec 2020 #91

Is that what you call a direct shot? /nt tonedevil Dec 2020 #99

Yes. As direct as one can be. Bashing the Democratic House leader. There's only one.... George II Dec 2020 #103

You are being specific... tonedevil Dec 2020 #107

I am being specific. She never mentioned Democratic "Party" leadership, she was talking about.... George II Dec 2020 #109

It isn't calling for immediate replacement... tonedevil Dec 2020 #114

It is not so subtly pointing out that Democratic House and Senate leadership failed. George II Dec 2020 #115

If you say so. /nt tonedevil Dec 2020 #116

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Who are you talking about? mcar Dec 2020 #32

Wow.. Such name calling.. Cha Dec 2020 #70

It's gone mcar Dec 2020 #85

Sorry I missed that. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #111

Wow, if that's a sample of it, I'm shocked. Almost sounds like trump with his "white suburban" crap. George II Dec 2020 #95

I especially appreciate the dissonance Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #23

seems AOC isn't the 'right kind' of democrat but a former republican is. KG Dec 2020 #35

It's not dissonance if your disposition is already conservative Sympthsical Dec 2020 #50

Good replique burrowowl Dec 2020 #90

And yet the one you speak of thinks the "big tent" of the Democratic Party is too big, so I guess... George II Dec 2020 #96

False equivalence and whataboutism AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #25

you mean to say that a Democrat challenged another Democrat in our primary?? bigtree Dec 2020 #28

It is not the actual running that bothers me AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #30

You know that, definitionally, a primary is two people of the same party Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #41

No, saying that leadership should be replaces is not like running against a member of your ehrnst Dec 2020 #44

Good thing AOC didn't say that. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #47

Re read my post. ehrnst Dec 2020 #51

that is false bigtree Dec 2020 #53

Some how, some way there is speaker a elected. Right now it is Pelosi. boston bean Dec 2020 #55

and AOC has supported her twice now for leadership bigtree Dec 2020 #57

And???? boston bean Dec 2020 #58

But as of Wednesday, she seems to have changed her mind. ehrnst Dec 2020 #62

blocking you for spamming me bigtree Dec 2020 #72

It's hard being corrected, I understand. And being corrected every time one doubles down ehrnst Dec 2020 #74

"I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party," Ocasio-Cortez said. ehrnst Dec 2020 #64

Interesting that you didn't quote this paragraph from the article Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #56

She said that she didn't want to be the new Speaker, but still said leadership needed ehrnst Dec 2020 #63

She didn't say that she SHOULD be replaced Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #66

That's a stretch... ehrnst Dec 2020 #69

AOC makes the Republicans nervous, panader0 Dec 2020 #29

AOC, and those who think like her, are the future of the party and of America Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #37

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AOC is solidly a progressive Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #42

I get tired of people complaining about how the DNC or House/Senate Democrats run campaigns. LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #31

'grow up?' lol bigtree Dec 2020 #33

Thank you! StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #61

the meme today is about defund and socialism bigtree Dec 2020 #75

You missed my posts. They had no one fit to replace Pelosi as speaker, Hortensis Dec 2020 #43

AOC is walking across an awful lot of lawns Sympthsical Dec 2020 #45

It has been shown that people become more moderate as they age AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #67

Because they "got theirs" Sympthsical Dec 2020 #80

This is true not just in politics AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #100

As people gain wealth they become more conservative Bettie Dec 2020 #97

AOC gets more attention treestar Dec 2020 #46

Remember a guy named Tim Ryan? There was still 'guff' when he ran for president. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #65

Not only did Slotkin flip a red district blue, but she is also a hard core liberal. lapucelle Dec 2020 #68

Facts... ehrnst Dec 2020 #76

She ran as a moderate... Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #81

Slotkin's voting record shows her to be a liberal. Opinion writers may assume lapucelle Dec 2020 #89

she's a proud member of the centrist, Blue Dog 'Problem Solver's Caucus' bigtree Dec 2020 #93

She's a problem solver with a liberal voting record, and I'm "cute" when I "pretend". lapucelle Dec 2020 #98

So when and where did she "undercut the House leadership"? You claiming she's a FAKE liberal.... George II Dec 2020 #101

Debbie Dingell is a "proud" member of the Problem Solvers Caucus too - is she a "moderate"? George II Dec 2020 #122

Representative Darren Soto of Florida is also a member of both the Congressional.... George II Dec 2020 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #104

She ran as a moderate. I sent you the article. That is why she is still in office. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #105

My reply double posted...happened a couple of times today. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #106

If congressional Dems could somehow channel that same anti-AOC energy against McConnell Yavin4 Dec 2020 #79

Pelosi IS a liberal. So it makes sense why those from conservative distrcts might not support her JI7 Dec 2020 #94

Well I am sure that I unloaded all the guff I had stored up on those guys grantcart Dec 2020 #102

For Pete's sake. Are you really asking us for our bona fides? I do not recall being silent --ever--... Hekate Dec 2020 #117

nowhere near the AOC hysteria bigtree Dec 2020 #119

Not hysteria, but YMMV Hekate Dec 2020 #120

I'll bet AOC is quoted on here and in the media Progressive dog Dec 2020 #124

What is interesting is Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #125

White men can say what they want to Bettie Dec 2020 #126

He was. George II Dec 2020 #128

Good to hear Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #130

If you do a DU google search with Max and mushy peas bigtree Dec 2020 #129