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112. I was right there, two feet away from Moynihan when he did that. He was pretty sloshed.

Fri Dec 18, 2020, 05:55 PM

Dec 2020

He was still fairly coherent (I guess what they say about the Irish is true), but sloshed nonetheless.

But for most of them, you're right, I heard them from my dad or other Washington types. Helen Thomas was a treasure trove, and Norm Ornstein is a walking anthology.

As for going out with Dodd and Teddy Kennedy, that I wouldn't know. I didn't know Teddy or JFK, only Bobby, and he seemed pretty straight. My dad knew him well (first name basis, etc.), I only slightly.

Bella bit off more than she could chew with challenging Pat. I guess she thought she could do anything after winning three terms in the House. But she quickly found out that New York State is a hell of a lot bigger than her safe corner of New York City, and that miscalculation was her undoing politically. The talk shows still liked her, but the voters didn't.

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... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #37

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