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shrike3

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114. I grew up near the auto plants and am married to a retired steelworker. Got to see all this stuff

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 10:53 AM

Dec 2020

up close. You may be right; the industry was too far gone. I've thought lately that tariffs would have been a 70s solution, IF they'd been implemented. But we were going to be a service and professional economy, or so it was said. No one foresaw the internet, 3-D printing, etc.. We're in a heavily union area and the one bright spot seems to be the so-called gold collar industries. Plumbing, electrical work. My stepgrandson is an early 20-something journeyman pipefitter, and owns an house, a nice truck, all sorts of toys. The younger folks are being guided in that direction, which is a good thing.

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Bernie Sanders Says Democrats to Blame for 73 Million Trump Voters, [View all] comradebillyboy Dec 2020 OP

This is akin to a tennis player eliminated in the first round AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #1

That would be, bs empedocles Dec 2020 #21

Did he try to reach them? Historic NY Dec 2020 #2

It is possible to reach out to some of them. murielm99 Dec 2020 #3

I think you could reach rural people by addressing leftyladyfrommo Dec 2020 #6

I have been to many of the rural churches. murielm99 Dec 2020 #10

Good for you, muriel. brer cat Dec 2020 #94

Best wishes, I hope you achieve great success... comradebillyboy Dec 2020 #19

"at least he does this, he does that" TwilightZone Dec 2020 #4

I agree TZ - just WTF is Bernie talking about with his NoMoreRepugs Dec 2020 #11

Agreed! pandr32 Dec 2020 #41

He's a basic type, hardwired to not be able Hortensis Dec 2020 #43

Trump fans the flames of racism and xenophobia. That's it. That's all. Blasphemer Dec 2020 #57

But THAT is the main reason they like Trump . JI7 Dec 2020 #77

+1, the sense of entitlement is powerful with some uponit7771 Dec 2020 #133

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #74

Yeah trump is a FUCKING TREASONOUS Cha Dec 2020 #93

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #134

Is this for real? Looks like satire. Dream Girl Dec 2020 #5

Who won the Democratic nomination, and the Presidency again? still_one Dec 2020 #7

The biggest motivator for the increase in voters in this election was Trump himself. Thomas Hurt Dec 2020 #8

Seems to be oft overlooked point - trump the negative motivator empedocles Dec 2020 #22

Yes, that is true people who never vote Bettie Dec 2020 #113

If you're going to post something like this, it should have a link. Squinch Dec 2020 #9

Right you are. I'll fix it. Thanks comradebillyboy Dec 2020 #12

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Bernie, North Shore Chicago Dec 2020 #14

In the entire history of the US, there have only been 3 elections where the winner got as much as... TreasonousBastard Dec 2020 #15

I don't think Bernie knows much, outside of the workings of the Senate. LuvNewcastle Dec 2020 #26

I see Bernie more as an activist PatSeg Dec 2020 #48

I can definitely relate to that. LuvNewcastle Dec 2020 #68

Oh what a scary thought, PatSeg Dec 2020 #69

I don't think he was much of an activist either . JI7 Dec 2020 #79

But ... but ... but, he got arrested in college that one time for protesting. betsuni Dec 2020 #87

I know.. Cha Dec 2020 #95

He doesn't appear to know much about the workings of the Senate either JI7 Dec 2020 #75

Exactly this. It's fantasy to think that Democrats can "do" something to win in landslides Blasphemer Dec 2020 #56

We need to win back the labor unions to voting blue FakeNoose Dec 2020 #16

They don't have much in common if their RAcism is what drives them to vote the way they do . Unions JI7 Dec 2020 #81

I think about 10 million of those 73 million were voters who were successfully brainwashed Squinch Dec 2020 #17

I think it's higher than that. TwilightZone Dec 2020 #24

You are probably right. Squinch Dec 2020 #35

The Lincoln Project and other Never trumpers did a good job Gothmog Dec 2020 #18

Yes! This is what has them nervous. They thought R B Garr Dec 2020 #31

They wanted another I told you so like they did with 2016 while never mentioning the Russian attack JI7 Dec 2020 #76

Rt.. TY for that! How many did BS Flip? Cha Dec 2020 #98

Vermont is almost 93% white Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #20

Also, BS not much a draw to black voters empedocles Dec 2020 #23

Sure?. We reached over 81 million. Something Bernie couldn't do. Budi Dec 2020 #25

How soon before he blames the fact that he wasn't the nominee.... George II Dec 2020 #64

😄 yeeeeuuup Budi Dec 2020 #70

Good point.. how many trump voters Cha Dec 2020 #99

K & R Budi Dec 2020 #110

.. Cha Dec 2020 #119

Biden's already doing it. gulliver Dec 2020 #27

Good point.. now Biden is coming from Cha Dec 2020 #100

LOL. Biden was criticized for reaching out to Republicans, but R B Garr Dec 2020 #28

Yes, Biden was criticized as being naive for reaching out to Republicans. betsuni Dec 2020 #83

Mostly certainly does.. you Cha Dec 2020 #101

I am a retired union steelworker, I can understand why doc03 Dec 2020 #29

Now that is an understandable perspective... comradebillyboy Dec 2020 #38

Except that tariffs didn't quite work as planned. shrike3 Dec 2020 #80

Yes the Union lobbied against NAFTA and wanted tariffs on illegally dumped steel for doc03 Dec 2020 #108

I grew up near the auto plants and am married to a retired steelworker. Got to see all this stuff shrike3 Dec 2020 #114

Lots of reasons for the 73 million IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #30

Without #7 DFW Dec 2020 #107

That's signature identity attitude for the far left. Hortensis Dec 2020 #32

2021 Democratic President Joe Biden Budi Dec 2020 #33

TY! Sounds like somebody Cha Dec 2020 #103

Sigh...Him Again Me. Dec 2020 #34

80,000,000 + voters disagree with you, Nina. Budi Dec 2020 #39

And Yet, She Rec'd A Big Welcome On MSNBC This Morning Me. Dec 2020 #45

Everything is a media promo for them all. Empty words with empty resumes. Budi Dec 2020 #46

Tiffany Cross Acting Like She Was A Long Lost Friend Me. Dec 2020 #50

Thanks. Are her "send money" emails out yet? Budi Dec 2020 #52

Don't KNow About Emails Me. Dec 2020 #53

I heard that mcar Dec 2020 #63

Bernie becomes a Democrat every four years to doc03 Dec 2020 #36

Must be another million dollar book deal in the works... Budi Dec 2020 #40

Yep. susanr516 Dec 2020 #88

Exactly! Cha Dec 2020 #124

irrelevance must be tough stillcool Dec 2020 #37

Is he officially an independent again? Tech Dec 2020 #42

No Bernie vercetti2021 Dec 2020 #44

+1 LongtimeAZDem Dec 2020 #115

Does this nd does that. Would really help if Sanders would actually say what the this and that is. LizBeth Dec 2020 #47

Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #49

Biden reaching out good. Bernie reaching out bad Sympthsical Dec 2020 #51

Not sure exactly who he's reaching out to. Budi Dec 2020 #54

Working class people who vote against their interests by voting Republican Sympthsical Dec 2020 #59

The Democratic Party he villainizes ARE THE LEFT. Budi Dec 2020 #61

Biden was our nominee and is now President-Elect. Sanders wasn't either. George II Dec 2020 #67

Their interest is being racist and hating gay people so it IS in their interest to vote Republican JI7 Dec 2020 #85

"It's just about punching and villainizing the Left." betsuni Dec 2020 #96

Biden is President-Elect, Sanders isn't. George II Dec 2020 #65

What did BS do to get trump voters to Cha Dec 2020 #104

He's blaming Democrats treestar Dec 2020 #117

Hopefully, Sanders will not run again and we will elect a Democrat in Vermont. I would vote for Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #55

OK, Bernie... MineralMan Dec 2020 #58

Wha? Once again blaming Democrats for things that happen. Funny that he's a member.... George II Dec 2020 #60

Weird that Nina does the same thing. Party hopping is a trend? Budi Dec 2020 #62

And, Good Things Did Happen.. We Won Cha Dec 2020 #105

What has Sanders accomplished? LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #66

Considering how obsessed he is with White Voters him moving to Vermont from places like NYC and JI7 Dec 2020 #71

... betsuni Dec 2020 #72

Does he ever consider why he lost so badly to Joe Biden in the Primary considering he was running JI7 Dec 2020 #73

Sanders sure made a big deal out of the things he was doing with Josh Hawley JI7 Dec 2020 #78

THAT'S DIFFERENT! betsuni Dec 2020 #86

we'd better... myohmy2 Dec 2020 #82

Sanders is the one that got cocky and lost the Primary HUGELY . Biden fucking WON the election JI7 Dec 2020 #84

EXACTLY!!!!! Cha Dec 2020 #91

No one is being "cocky" as you say.. how Cha Dec 2020 #90

... What? ... betsuni Dec 2020 #97

Thank you, Bernie. Its important to ask the question what we can do differently... aikoaiko Dec 2020 #89

Sanders failed in attracting voters hugely so he isn't in position to be attacking others for JI7 Dec 2020 #92

I welcome his criticisms of our party even if it makes some feel attacked. aikoaiko Dec 2020 #116

You cannot reach out to them. joshcryer Dec 2020 #102

He still believes: betsuni Dec 2020 #106

he's Not paying attention. Biden Got the Cha Dec 2020 #120

We hear millions of times that supposedly the Democratic Party ignores the working class. betsuni Dec 2020 #121

Exactly! So why is BS saying this?!! Cha Dec 2020 #123

He's stuck in a mindset that assumes Bettie Dec 2020 #109

Progressives and Democrats, The Great Divide Beringia Dec 2020 #111

NO.. Dems are Progressive! Look at Cha Dec 2020 #122

Exactly! PatSeg Dec 2020 #125

Well when we have a Cha Dec 2020 #128

Yeah PatSeg Dec 2020 #129

Exactly, I can't see much progress made by Sanders in his decades in office JI7 Dec 2020 #126

Socalists and Democratics. FIFY ahoysrcsm Dec 2020 #127

Thank you. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #132

Absurd. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #131

So we're supposed to reach out to racists, Proud Boys, Nazis and the KKK? Generic Brad Dec 2020 #112

If he knows so much BainsBane Dec 2020 #118

You make a valid point. I think many people fail to consider such obvious truths. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #130