We need to make room for AOC and others like her. (Reply #22)

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Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:04 PM

Mike 03 (16,394 posts)

22. We need to make room for AOC and others like her.

She is capable of doing that elusive, ephemeral thing Masha Gessen keeps saying Democrats need to do in order to ensure our own survival: speak to people in a new language of aspiration.

And I'm betting Ezra Klein would agree.

We need people to identify with our party the way Republicans identify with their "party" and the way blue collar and working people used to identify with the Democratic party. (i.e., if you were in a union, who else would you vote for?) It goes beyond policy, but it doesn't exclude policy.

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263 replies	Author	Time	Post
Let's talk about AOC. [View all]	panader0	Dec 22	OP
She's young...	orwell	Dec 22	#1
Agreed.	panader0	Dec 22	#2
Much potential but she needs to distance herself from the self-avowed stance...	brush	Dec 22	#32
Not a mistake at all IMO.	Chakaconcarne	Dec 22	#88
We lost 12 house seats because republicans tagged their Dem opponents as...	brush	Dec 22	#100
That is only because Republicans have poisoned that word. Most people don't even	PatrickforO	Dec 22	#92
Completely agree	birdographer	Dec 22	#96
Listen to post 120	questionseverything	Dec 22	#127
I love AOC. She can be a little brash, but I'm glad she speaks out.	CrispyQ	Dec 22	#3
These days the Eisenhower platform would be considered "liberal" by Rs.	panader0	Dec 22	#8
Any criticism of the party is considered bashing by a lot of people.	CrispyQ	Dec 22	#21
Exactly. Like Bernie points out, when you look at these so-called	PatrickforO	Dec 22	#93
Kept quiet?	treestar	Dec 22	#173
Ridiculous. Nobody is bashing anyone here.	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#4
It's interesting how suddenly	BannonsLiver	Dec 22	#11
You mean the guy who fought against the impact of COVID?	Cuthbert Allgood	Dec 22	#18
There's really no reason to limit it to just one or two reasons to get pissed at them.	BannonsLiver	Dec 22	#25
When it comes to the vaccine, why isn't anyone talking about Ilhan Omar? She has a great......	George II	Dec 22	#118
As a teacher, I appreciate her position.	Cuthbert Allgood	Dec 22	#166
Why do you dislike her Nurse Jackie?	panader0	Dec 22	#14
LOL! You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing.	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#30
So you do like AOC then	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#46
Lulz!	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#48
Well if you don't dislike someone	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#50
I live in the real world.. not a binary, or black-and-white world.	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#53
Indifference???	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#56
example	Don1	Dec 25	#253
Example of what?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 25	#254
not indifference. n/t	Don1	Dec 26	#255
Indeed.	Celerity	Jan 4	#259
That's not correct	whopis01	Dec 22	#81
Very true	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#101
It means no such thing.	Codeine	Dec 22	#111
Logically?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#117
What? There are probably millions of people in this country about whom I have NO opinion...	George II	Dec 22	#123
And never heard of either	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#128
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 22	#134
tip for you	Skittles	Dec 22	#138
Very true	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#145
Damned if you do..........pour me another drink.	George II	Dec 22	#139
Reminds me of that ol' question asked during the bush administration. If you didn't agree 100%...	George II	Dec 22	#121
yup	Skittles	Dec 22	#142
And that follow up question from someone else is even more typical of that era.	George II	Dec 22	#122
See, that right there,	Codeine	Dec 22	#109
Careful Jackie... some want a certain response... for their own reasons...we know this.	Demsrule86	Dec 22	#17
.........	paleotn	Dec 22	#58
I know, right?! Absurd, isn't it? There's no bashing going on! Ridiculous!	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#60
Other than the occasional bash-o-rama when it comes to various Dems...	paleotn	Dec 22	#68
Yeah, to be honest I have seen some pretty negative statements about AOC	PatrickforO	Dec 22	#97
Actually, I confess.	world wide wally	Dec 22	#72
didn't you get the memo?	Skittles	Dec 22	#137
I didn't receive the official memo... but it's not difficult to figure out.	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#143
;)	sheshe2	Dec 22	#169
It's bashing not to worship AOC, yet OK for AOC	treestar	Dec 22	#174
Let's not, and say we did.	BannonsLiver	Dec 22	#5
You beat me to it!	Peacetrain	Dec 22	#9
You beat me to saying "you beat me to it".	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#35
Oh Lord Jackie..	Peacetrain	Dec 22	#36
Come on BL, let it go. Say your piece.	panader0	Dec 22	#12
Let what go?	BannonsLiver	Dec 22	#38
Well, the point of my OP was to find out why so many here don't like her.	panader0	Dec 22	#40
Some would say she's pretty divisive herself.	BannonsLiver	Dec 22	#43
Thank you--best reply to my question so far.	panader0	Dec 22	#63
Snort	grantcart	Dec 22	#28
Well said. (nt)	Paladin	Dec 22	#41
She is the progressive wing of the party.	Lunabell	Dec 22	#6
I had no idea...list the bills she has passed. Wonderful...thanks in advance.	Demsrule86	Dec 22	#15
Some people actually work towards the advancement of ideals in increments	Lunabell	Dec 22	#27
"Working class roots"? Her father owned an architecture firm.	George II	Dec 22	#146
Some people spend more time bashing progressives,	Lunabell	Dec 23	#206
AOC doesn't approve of incrementalism, same as Bernie Sanders.	betsuni	Dec 22	#156
Some historians say that we only got out of the Depression because of the massive spending caused	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 23	#203
Well, that was AOC, not me.	betsuni	Dec 23	#204
I apologize. It was not my intention to suggest that you did not.	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 23	#207
Oh, no problem.	betsuni	Dec 23	#209
Some, but not all. Looking only at unemployment as a barometer, it was already way way down....	George II	Dec 23	#211
Interesting chart	Dem4Life1102	Dec 23	#213
Agreed. I meant "some" to be indicator of lack of agreement. Thanks!	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 24	#251
Only the present matters	treestar	Dec 22	#175
A Fabulous post	malaise	Dec 22	#7
Wasn't it something like less than 20 % even voted in her district?	cwydro	Dec 22	#10
yes, and Biden got more votes in her distrct than her	JI7	Dec 22	#26
Thanks. Wasn't sure of the numbers.	cwydro	Dec 22	#73
Listen to post 120	questionseverything	Dec 22	#130
It was the same voters with both elections on their ballots	JI7	Dec 22	#161
Highest turnout in cd history	questionseverything	Dec 22	#178
No, there were some Democrats that got more votes than Biden	JI7	Dec 22	#183
Name one	questionseverything	Dec 22	#187
Elissa Slotkin	JI7	Dec 22	#190
I didn't figure you to be anti pelosi	questionseverything	Dec 22	#193
I'm very much for Pelosi which is why I'm glad for people like Slotkin	JI7	Dec 22	#194
Slotkin campaigned on not having pelosi for speaker	questionseverything	Dec 22	#195
Whatever she needs to do to win. Her keeping the seat Democratic helps Pelosi remain Speaker	JI7	Dec 22	#196
She voted against pelosi today	questionseverything	Jan 4	#257
She comes from a conservative district unlike AOC	JI7	Jan 4	#258
I just find it hypocritical	questionseverything	Jan 4	#260
It's not hypocritical. Some people just understand politics	JI7	Jan 4	#263
and that she didn't have to run against a Republican	treestar	Dec 22	#176
Why do you keep saying she never beat a Republican?	mtnsnake	Dec 22	#185
She won the first election by winning the D primary	treestar	Dec 23	#235
She does?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 23	#241
You could be right	treestar	Dec 24	#249
Which clearly shows that her constituents weren't motivated to get rid of her. nt.	Mariana	Dec 22	#191
This is a clickbait post and some who post in it will find trouble and not the good kind...	Demsrule86	Dec 22	#13
"Let's talk about AOC" is clickbait on a discussion board?	panader0	Dec 22	#16
...	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#31
She ran against and defeated a long time Centrist. For some that was sacrilege. She was	jalan48	Dec 22	#19
The 'center' has drifted to the right for quite a while.	panader0	Dec 22	#20
Absolutely, and encouraging Bush/Cheney Republicans to join our Party will push us even further to	jalan48	Dec 22	#24
Yep, that started a while ago...	WinstonSmith4740	Dec 22	#75
We need to make room for AOC and others like her.	Mike 03	Dec 22	#22
Nice day for fishing.	MrsCoffee	Dec 22	#23
She supports old men like Sanders send Ed Markey but thinks Pelosi needs to go	JI7	Dec 22	#29
+1000	AmericanCanuck	Dec 22	#110
Great post, however	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#33
Lulz!	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#47
Wait. What? If she says the party needs new leadership then OF COURSE she's talking about	Vivienne235729	Dec 22	#147
Tom Perez maybe	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#150
I think She is Amazing...	Grey5	Dec 22	#34
I think she is a future Leader of the Democratic Party...	kentuck	Dec 22	#37
Recommended.	H2O Man	Dec 22	#39
That right there is a big part of it	Bettie	Dec 22	#42
Me too!	burrowowl	Dec 22	#69
Agree!	mountain grammy	Dec 22	#84
Yep. And that triggers Republicans and Reagan Democrats.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 22	#87
+1,	uponit7771	Dec 22	#135
sexism. pure and simple.	mopinko	Dec 22	#44
I was about to say the same thing..	mountain grammy	Dec 22	#86
i keep trying to think of an equivalent male politician to compare to.	mopinko	Dec 22	#94
Maybe Bernie?	mountain grammy	Dec 22	#102
nah.	mopinko	Dec 22	#113
H2O Man?	H2O Man	Dec 22	#125
like i said- young. gotta be young.	mopinko	Dec 22	#129
How is it sexism?	George II	Dec 23	#218
it just is.	mopinko	Dec 23	#219
I've seen similar comments said about men.	George II	Dec 23	#232
whatevs.	mopinko	Dec 23	#234
Since you introduced voting numbers, Joe Crowley got a higher % of votes in the 2016 election and...	George II	Dec 22	#45
That's great! Still 78% and 71% isn't too bad is it?	panader0	Dec 22	#51
Great post	Don1	Dec 22	#49
That's not happening. Nobody here is doing that.	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#64
Talented, young, charismatic, and pretty naieve.	Happy Hoosier	Dec 22	#52
I think that's a pretty fair analysis. nt	mtnsnake	Dec 22	#165
Since you ask, she supported subverting the 2016 primary from the majority,	Hortensis	Dec 22	#54
Is this in code?	rgbecker	Dec 22	#116
I often have that same question.	demmiblue	Dec 22	#119
Let me clarify: In 2020 Trump/Repubs lied constantly that	Hortensis	Dec 22	#140
+1000000000	betsuni	Dec 22	#167
It seemed exceedingly clear to me.	Codeine	Dec 22	#144
Not if you speak English.	MrsCoffee	Dec 23	#214
She can handle a little criticism, and sometimes it's hilarious	housecat	Dec 22	#55
LOL. Are you bored today?	Hekate	Dec 22	#57
My comments are my opinion here and may be risky.	tiredtoo	Dec 22	#59
AOC is the future of the party and the future of America, and nothing will stop her or her cohorts.	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 22	#61
Being a creature of deep left field, I want to see her remain as she is. I just ❤️ her style.	Magoo48	Dec 22	#90
I am very pro AOC.	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 22	#62
Count me in as big supporter of AOC	Viz	Dec 22	#65
Healthy Discussion	Roy Rolling	Dec 22	#66
some seem to think she's the wrong kind of democrat, threat to the hegemony.	KG	Dec 22	#67
I think some people have issues	BainsBane	Dec 22	#70
Listen to post 120 and her list of first term accomplishments	questionseverything	Dec 22	#133
Can you tell me	BainsBane	Dec 22	#158
I was responding to your show horse insult	questionseverything	Dec 22	#177
I think it's a stump speech	BainsBane	Dec 22	#182
You won't find me insulting any democratic pols	questionseverything	Dec 22	#188
Nor did I	BainsBane	Dec 22	#189
People, and Democrats, look for accomplishments. That's all. You don't see similar comments about...	George II	Dec 22	#71
"Ayanna Pressley"	melman	Dec 22	#76
Yes I do remember that 1-1/2 year old OP of mine. I see you're still poring over...	George II	Dec 22	#98
"What does Ayanna Pressley have to do with that ancient OP?"	melman	Dec 22	#106
And you know that how? I think it's insulting that you're reading something into this....	George II	Dec 22	#115
+10,000	mtnsnake	Dec 22	#164
That is a year and a half old post.	sheshe2	Dec 22	#124
Yes. Infamous.	melman	Dec 22	#149
I agreed it was the ugliest thread in DU history.	sheshe2	Dec 22	#152
You know perfectly well the context, meaning and intent of that thread	melman	Dec 22	#154
I really don't, but then I am unable to read minds.	sheshe2	Dec 22	#157
Again, and you know that how? Funny how the thread was ugly but got 239 responses, 85 recs....	George II	Dec 22	#160
Don't go away mad....	MrsCoffee	Dec 23	#215
Intelligence includes an ability to temper tone-deafness	bucolic_frolic	Dec 22	#74
Didn't she just lose her Energy & Commerce committee assignment?...	SidDithers	Dec 22	#77
no, AOC was trying to get on it and lost to Rice (who ironically was one of the leading anti-Pelosi	Celerity	Dec 22	#151
I appreciate her voice and courage. This is not a time to just "go along to get along."	Evolve Dammit	Dec 22	#78
Nobody is suggesting that it is.	NurseJackie	Dec 23	#217
plenty are wishing she would be quiet(er)	Evolve Dammit	Dec 23	#230
Consider me a member of the Squad	greblach	Dec 22	#79
I only disagree with this "even the Rs. They are essential workers after all."	Escurumbele	Dec 22	#80
I think she's great. We need more like her. She tells it like it is.	judesedit	Dec 22	#82
Excellent post. Agreed that AOC has some stuff to learn, but	PatrickforO	Dec 22	#83
No one on DU should be bashing her...period.	Chakaconcarne	Dec 22	#85
I don't bash AOC daily, but I do have mixed feelings about her	Raven123	Dec 22	#89
Yes the bashing	zentrum	Dec 22	#91
I get upset by the aoc bashing sometimes too	questionseverything	Dec 23	#242
Yes! You say it well.	zentrum	Dec 23	#243
Agreed. The ignore feature is very useful.	Tommymac	Dec 23	#244
Plus one	questionseverything	Dec 23	#248
I've never bashed AOC	FakeNoose	Dec 22	#95
That's true	seta1950	Dec 22	#99
Some people are liked because they make tweets liked by their followers	AmericanCanuck	Dec 22	#103
.	melman	Dec 22	#104
That's commendable. Good program.	AmericanCanuck	Dec 22	#112
that's great	BainsBane	Dec 22	#163
It was mentioned above that she has had no bills passed.	panader0	Dec 22	#105
Ok	Dem4Life1102	Dec 22	#120
"These accomplishments are not mine; they are all of ours" Post 120, TYVM!	Alex4Martinez	Dec 22	#168
Bashing? Even mild critiques get a hide now.	Codeine	Dec 22	#107
+1000	AmericanCanuck	Dec 22	#108
Whatever criticism that comes her way is fair and deserved...	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#131
This is a forum to support Democrats.	PTWB	Dec 22	#148
Yes .... and Democrats should support other Democrats instead of attacking them	AmericanCanuck	Dec 22	#153
This is a forum.	PTWB	Dec 22	#170
There is no anti-AOC faction	AmericanCanuck	Dec 29	#256
A certain age/racial demographic seem to be the most put upon by her presence...	demmiblue	Dec 22	#114
So now you're suggesting racism is at play? Seriously? "Uppity?" NOBODY SAYS THAT!! NOBODY!!	NurseJackie	Dec 22	#132
This is the kind of shit that renders all conversations	Codeine	Dec 22	#141
Hear hear	AmericanCanuck	Dec 22	#155
I like her!	Iggo	Dec 22	#126
I wish she would temper her anger and channel it better. I fully support her	Vivienne235729	Dec 22	#136
in regard to your final question:	aidbo	Dec 22	#159
Fantastic post. AOC could likely be the Speaker of the House sometime in the future, although	mtnsnake	Dec 22	#162
she keeps talking about leaving politics though	BainsBane	Dec 23	#198
It won't be the end of the world either way, whether she stays or leaves	mtnsnake	Dec 23	#224
This message was self-deleted by its author	BainsBane	Dec 23	#225
No, the job has nothing to do with personal politics or "fighting."	betsuni	Dec 23	#202
I like her overall	MustLoveBeagles	Dec 22	#171
She's never won an election against a Republican	treestar	Dec 22	#172
This is more or less how I feel	BannonsLiver	Dec 22	#180
Didn't she just beat Republican challenger John Cummings?	mtnsnake	Dec 22	#181
Have you ever lived in a blue city?	BainsBane	Dec 23	#200
Are you suggesting that AOC deserves no credit for trouncing John Cummings?	mtnsnake	Dec 23	#222
It means she doesn't have experience winning	BainsBane	Dec 23	#223
I understand what you're saying, but it's not her fault that she doesn't have	mtnsnake	Dec 23	#226
They likely wouldn't win in a swing district	BainsBane	Dec 23	#227
That could be the case	mtnsnake	Dec 23	#228
In 2018	Dem4Life1102	Dec 23	#229
that's impressive	BainsBane	Dec 23	#231
If she wasn't on the map already, that victory helped to put her on it	mtnsnake	Dec 23	#233
Not much	treestar	Dec 23	#237
She was primaried this year	Dem4Life1102	Dec 23	#238
Ok, forgot that	treestar	Dec 23	#239
Guess that depends on your perspective	Dem4Life1102	Dec 23	#240
Maybe but she won in 2018 by winning the D primary	treestar	Dec 23	#236
she has won two elections against Republicans	Celerity	Dec 22	#184
She is fierce. And she is a threat.	Autumn	Dec 22	#179
I would hope people would read up on the subject matter before talking.	rgbecker	Dec 22	#186
+1000. Special interests pay people to troll internet sites so Im not surprised to see posts	diva77	Dec 22	#192
+1000	Celerity	Dec 23	#201
This is a fact. It takes time to learn to spot them.	Tommymac	Dec 23	#245
They are not that hard to spot	mtnsnake	Dec 24	#252
I can't think of anything she said that I disagree with.	egduj	Dec 23	#197
Dead on Pander0	denbot	Dec 23	#199
I wish Senator Wellstone's life had not ended as quickly as it did. We have allowed the GOP to	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 23	#205
Uusally if one discovers a celestial oject it gets names after them.	Tommymac	Dec 23	#246
You were close. According to an article in Business Insider, it was named after her	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 24	#250
Seems to me that too many here are spending time	Lunabell	Dec 23	#208
Seems to me too many have been spending time bashing Democrats	betsuni	Dec 23	#210
Seems to me you hit the nail on the head	mtnsnake	Dec 23	#220
AOC is like the kindly grandchild who buys stuff from Amazon	Roisin Ni Fiachra	Dec 23	#212
And...you're a confused but grateful octogenarian in your scenario?	Hortensis	Dec 23	#221
I don't bash her publicly	coolhandlulu	Dec 23	#216
'Disrespectful of elders' has been used in the past to hide a lot of nastiness.	Tommymac	Dec 23	#247
+100000000	Celerity	Jan 4	#261
The "elders" in charge today have fucked us over and led to the current ruin of our country today	ansible	Jan 4	#262

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