Talented, young, charismatic, and pretty naieve. (Reply #52)

In the discussion thread: Let's talk about AOC. [View all]

Tue Dec 22, 2020, 03:57 PM

52. Talented, young, charismatic, and pretty naieve.

If she learns how politics actually works, she will influential. If she decides that making noise is more important, she'll soon get frustrated and bail. We'll see. I see signs that she is learning, but the overconfidence of youth can be tough to overcome.

Reply to this post

Back to OP Alert abuse Link to post in-thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum

Replies to this discussion thread

263 replies	Author	Time	Post
Let's talk about AOC. [View all]	panader0	Dec 2020	OP
She's young...	orwell	Dec 2020	#1
Agreed.	panader0	Dec 2020	#2
Much potential but she needs to distance herself from the self-avowed stance...	brush	Dec 2020	#32
Not a mistake at all IMO.	Chakaconcarne	Dec 2020	#88
We lost 12 house seats because republicans tagged their Dem opponents as...	brush	Dec 2020	#100
That is only because Republicans have poisoned that word. Most people don't even	PatrickforO	Dec 2020	#92
Completely agree	birdographer	Dec 2020	#96
Listen to post 120	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#127
I love AOC. She can be a little brash, but I'm glad she speaks out.	CrispyQ	Dec 2020	#3
These days the Eisenhower platform would be considered "liberal" by Rs.	panader0	Dec 2020	#8
Any criticism of the party is considered bashing by a lot of people.	CrispyQ	Dec 2020	#21
Exactly. Like Bernie points out, when you look at these so-called	PatrickforO	Dec 2020	#93
Kept quiet?	treestar	Dec 2020	#173
Ridiculous. Nobody is bashing anyone here.	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#4
It's interesting how suddenly	BannonsLiver	Dec 2020	#11
You mean the guy who fought against the impact of COVID?	Cuthbert Allgood	Dec 2020	#18
There's really no reason to limit it to just one or two reasons to get pissed at them.	BannonsLiver	Dec 2020	#25
When it comes to the vaccine, why isn't anyone talking about Ilhan Omar? She has a great......	George II	Dec 2020	#118
As a teacher, I appreciate her position.	Cuthbert Allgood	Dec 2020	#166
Why do you dislike her Nurse Jackie?	panader0	Dec 2020	#14
LOL! You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing.	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#30
So you do like AOC then	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#46
Lulz!	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#48
Well if you don't dislike someone	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#50
I live in the real world.. not a binary, or black-and-white world.	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#53
Indifference???	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#56
example	Don1	Dec 2020	#253
Example of what?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#254
not indifference. n/t	Don1	Dec 2020	#255
Indeed.	Celerity	Jan 2021	#259
That's not correct	whopis01	Dec 2020	#81
Very true	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#101
It means no such thing.	Codeine	Dec 2020	#111
Logically?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#117
What? There are probably millions of people in this country about whom I have NO opinion...	George II	Dec 2020	#123
And never heard of either	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#128
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2020	#134
tip for you	Skittles	Dec 2020	#138
Very true	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#145
Damned if you do..........pour me another drink.	George II	Dec 2020	#139
Reminds me of that ol' question asked during the bush administration. If you didn't agree 100%...	George II	Dec 2020	#121
yup	Skittles	Dec 2020	#142
And that follow up question from someone else is even more typical of that era.	George II	Dec 2020	#122
See, that right there,	Codeine	Dec 2020	#109
Careful Jackie... some want a certain response... for their own reasons...we know this.	Demsrule86	Dec 2020	#17
.........	paleotn	Dec 2020	#58
I know, right?! Absurd, isn't it? There's no bashing going on! Ridiculous!	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#60
Other than the occasional bash-o-rama when it comes to various Dems...	paleotn	Dec 2020	#68
Yeah, to be honest I have seen some pretty negative statements about AOC	PatrickforO	Dec 2020	#97
Actually, I confess.	world wide wally	Dec 2020	#72
didn't you get the memo?	Skittles	Dec 2020	#137
I didn't receive the official memo... but it's not difficult to figure out.	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#143
;)	sheshe2	Dec 2020	#169
It's bashing not to worship AOC, yet OK for AOC	treestar	Dec 2020	#174
Let's not, and say we did.	BannonsLiver	Dec 2020	#5
You beat me to it!	Peacetrain	Dec 2020	#9
You beat me to saying "you beat me to it".	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#35
Oh Lord Jackie..	Peacetrain	Dec 2020	#36
Come on BL, let it go. Say your piece.	panader0	Dec 2020	#12
Let what go?	BannonsLiver	Dec 2020	#38
Well, the point of my OP was to find out why so many here don't like her.	panader0	Dec 2020	#40
Some would say she's pretty divisive herself.	BannonsLiver	Dec 2020	#43
Thank you--best reply to my question so far.	panader0	Dec 2020	#63
Snort	grantcart	Dec 2020	#28
Well said. (nt)	Paladin	Dec 2020	#41
She is the progressive wing of the party.	Lunabell	Dec 2020	#6
I had no idea...list the bills she has passed. Wonderful...thanks in advance.	Demsrule86	Dec 2020	#15
Some people actually work towards the advancement of ideals in increments	Lunabell	Dec 2020	#27
"Working class roots"? Her father owned an architecture firm.	George II	Dec 2020	#146
Some people spend more time bashing progressives,	Lunabell	Dec 2020	#206
AOC doesn't approve of incrementalism, same as Bernie Sanders.	betsuni	Dec 2020	#156
Some historians say that we only got out of the Depression because of the massive spending caused	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 2020	#203
Well, that was AOC, not me.	betsuni	Dec 2020	#204
I apologize. It was not my intention to suggest that you did not.	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 2020	#207
Oh, no problem.	betsuni	Dec 2020	#209
Some, but not all. Looking only at unemployment as a barometer, it was already way way down....	George II	Dec 2020	#211
Interesting chart	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#213
Agreed. I meant "some" to be indicator of lack of agreement. Thanks!	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 2020	#251
Only the present matters	treestar	Dec 2020	#175
A Fabulous post	malaise	Dec 2020	#7
Wasn't it something like less than 20 % even voted in her district?	cwydro	Dec 2020	#10
yes, and Biden got more votes in her distrct than her	JI7	Dec 2020	#26
Thanks. Wasn't sure of the numbers.	cwydro	Dec 2020	#73
Listen to post 120	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#130
It was the same voters with both elections on their ballots	JI7	Dec 2020	#161
Highest turnout in cd history	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#178
No, there were some Democrats that got more votes than Biden	JI7	Dec 2020	#183
Name one	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#187
Elissa Slotkin	JI7	Dec 2020	#190
I didn't figure you to be anti pelosi	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#193
I'm very much for Pelosi which is why I'm glad for people like Slotkin	JI7	Dec 2020	#194
Slotkin campaigned on not having pelosi for speaker	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#195
Whatever she needs to do to win. Her keeping the seat Democratic helps Pelosi remain Speaker	JI7	Dec 2020	#196
She voted against pelosi today	questionseverything	Jan 2021	#257
She comes from a conservative district unlike AOC	JI7	Jan 2021	#258
I just find it hypocritical	questionseverything	Jan 2021	#260
It's not hypocritical. Some people just understand politics	JI7	Jan 2021	#263
and that she didn't have to run against a Republican	treestar	Dec 2020	#176
Why do you keep saying she never beat a Republican?	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#185
She won the first election by winning the D primary	treestar	Dec 2020	#235
She does?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#241
You could be right	treestar	Dec 2020	#249
Which clearly shows that her constituents weren't motivated to get rid of her. nt.	Mariana	Dec 2020	#191
This is a clickbait post and some who post in it will find trouble and not the good kind...	Demsrule86	Dec 2020	#13
"Let's talk about AOC" is clickbait on a discussion board?	panader0	Dec 2020	#16
...	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#31
She ran against and defeated a long time Centrist. For some that was sacrilege. She was	jalan48	Dec 2020	#19
The 'center' has drifted to the right for quite a while.	panader0	Dec 2020	#20
Absolutely, and encouraging Bush/Cheney Republicans to join our Party will push us even further to	jalan48	Dec 2020	#24
Yep, that started a while ago...	WinstonSmith4740	Dec 2020	#75
We need to make room for AOC and others like her.	Mike 03	Dec 2020	#22
Nice day for fishing.	MrsCoffee	Dec 2020	#23
She supports old men like Sanders send Ed Markey but thinks Pelosi needs to go	JI7	Dec 2020	#29
+1000	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#110
Great post, however	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#33
Lulz!	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#47
Wait. What? If she says the party needs new leadership then OF COURSE she's talking about	Vivienne235729	Dec 2020	#147
Tom Perez maybe	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#150
I think She is Amazing...	Grey5	Dec 2020	#34
I think she is a future Leader of the Democratic Party...	kentuck	Dec 2020	#37
Recommended.	H2O Man	Dec 2020	#39
That right there is a big part of it	Bettie	Dec 2020	#42
Me too!	burrowowl	Dec 2020	#69
Agree!	mountain grammy	Dec 2020	#84
Yep. And that triggers Republicans and Reagan Democrats.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2020	#87
+1,	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#135
sexism. pure and simple.	mopinko	Dec 2020	#44
I was about to say the same thing..	mountain grammy	Dec 2020	#86
i keep trying to think of an equivalent male politician to compare to.	mopinko	Dec 2020	#94
Maybe Bernie?	mountain grammy	Dec 2020	#102
nah.	mopinko	Dec 2020	#113
H2O Man?	H2O Man	Dec 2020	#125
like i said- young. gotta be young.	mopinko	Dec 2020	#129
How is it sexism?	George II	Dec 2020	#218
it just is.	mopinko	Dec 2020	#219
I've seen similar comments said about men.	George II	Dec 2020	#232
whatevs.	mopinko	Dec 2020	#234
Since you introduced voting numbers, Joe Crowley got a higher % of votes in the 2016 election and...	George II	Dec 2020	#45
That's great! Still 78% and 71% isn't too bad is it?	panader0	Dec 2020	#51
Great post	Don1	Dec 2020	#49
That's not happening. Nobody here is doing that.	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#64
Talented, young, charismatic, and pretty naieve.	Happy Hoosier	Dec 2020	#52
I think that's a pretty fair analysis. nt	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#165
Since you ask, she supported subverting the 2016 primary from the majority,	Hortensis	Dec 2020	#54
Is this in code?	rgbecker	Dec 2020	#116
I often have that same question.	demmiblue	Dec 2020	#119
Let me clarify: In 2020 Trump/Repubs lied constantly that	Hortensis	Dec 2020	#140
+1000000000	betsuni	Dec 2020	#167
It seemed exceedingly clear to me.	Codeine	Dec 2020	#144
Not if you speak English.	MrsCoffee	Dec 2020	#214
She can handle a little criticism, and sometimes it's hilarious	housecat	Dec 2020	#55
LOL. Are you bored today?	Hekate	Dec 2020	#57
My comments are my opinion here and may be risky.	tiredtoo	Dec 2020	#59
AOC is the future of the party and the future of America, and nothing will stop her or her cohorts.	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2020	#61
Being a creature of deep left field, I want to see her remain as she is. I just ❤️ her style.	Magoo48	Dec 2020	#90
I am very pro AOC.	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 2020	#62
Count me in as big supporter of AOC	Viz	Dec 2020	#65
Healthy Discussion	Roy Rolling	Dec 2020	#66
some seem to think she's the wrong kind of democrat, threat to the hegemony.	KG	Dec 2020	#67
I think some people have issues	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#70
Listen to post 120 and her list of first term accomplishments	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#133
Can you tell me	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#158
I was responding to your show horse insult	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#177
I think it's a stump speech	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#182
You won't find me insulting any democratic pols	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#188
Nor did I	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#189
People, and Democrats, look for accomplishments. That's all. You don't see similar comments about...	George II	Dec 2020	#71
"Ayanna Pressley"	melman	Dec 2020	#76
Yes I do remember that 1-1/2 year old OP of mine. I see you're still poring over...	George II	Dec 2020	#98
"What does Ayanna Pressley have to do with that ancient OP?"	melman	Dec 2020	#106
And you know that how? I think it's insulting that you're reading something into this....	George II	Dec 2020	#115
+10,000	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#164
That is a year and a half old post.	sheshe2	Dec 2020	#124
Yes. Infamous.	melman	Dec 2020	#149
I agreed it was the ugliest thread in DU history.	sheshe2	Dec 2020	#152
You know perfectly well the context, meaning and intent of that thread	melman	Dec 2020	#154
I really don't, but then I am unable to read minds.	sheshe2	Dec 2020	#157
Again, and you know that how? Funny how the thread was ugly but got 239 responses, 85 recs....	George II	Dec 2020	#160
Don't go away mad....	MrsCoffee	Dec 2020	#215
Intelligence includes an ability to temper tone-deafness	bucolic_frolic	Dec 2020	#74
Didn't she just lose her Energy & Commerce committee assignment?...	SidDithers	Dec 2020	#77
no, AOC was trying to get on it and lost to Rice (who ironically was one of the leading anti-Pelosi	Celerity	Dec 2020	#151
I appreciate her voice and courage. This is not a time to just "go along to get along."	Evolve Dammit	Dec 2020	#78
Nobody is suggesting that it is.	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#217
plenty are wishing she would be quiet(er)	Evolve Dammit	Dec 2020	#230
Consider me a member of the Squad	greblach	Dec 2020	#79
I only disagree with this "even the Rs. They are essential workers after all."	Escurumbele	Dec 2020	#80
I think she's great. We need more like her. She tells it like it is.	judesedit	Dec 2020	#82
Excellent post. Agreed that AOC has some stuff to learn, but	PatrickforO	Dec 2020	#83
No one on DU should be bashing her...period.	Chakaconcarne	Dec 2020	#85
I don't bash AOC daily, but I do have mixed feelings about her	Raven123	Dec 2020	#89
Yes the bashing	zentrum	Dec 2020	#91
I get upset by the aoc bashing sometimes too	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#242
Yes! You say it well.	zentrum	Dec 2020	#243
Agreed. The ignore feature is very useful.	Tommymac	Dec 2020	#244
Plus one	questionseverything	Dec 2020	#248
I've never bashed AOC	FakeNoose	Dec 2020	#95
That's true	seta1950	Dec 2020	#99
Some people are liked because they make tweets liked by their followers	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#103
.	melman	Dec 2020	#104
That's commendable. Good program.	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#112
that's great	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#163
It was mentioned above that she has had no bills passed.	panader0	Dec 2020	#105
Ok	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#120
"These accomplishments are not mine; they are all of ours" Post 120, TYVM!	Alex4Martinez	Dec 2020	#168
Bashing? Even mild critiques get a hide now.	Codeine	Dec 2020	#107
+1000	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#108
Whatever criticism that comes her way is fair and deserved...	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#131
This is a forum to support Democrats.	PTWB	Dec 2020	#148
Yes .... and Democrats should support other Democrats instead of attacking them	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#153
This is a forum.	PTWB	Dec 2020	#170
There is no anti-AOC faction	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#256
A certain age/racial demographic seem to be the most put upon by her presence...	demmiblue	Dec 2020	#114
So now you're suggesting racism is at play? Seriously? "Uppity?" NOBODY SAYS THAT!! NOBODY!!	NurseJackie	Dec 2020	#132
This is the kind of shit that renders all conversations	Codeine	Dec 2020	#141
Hear hear	AmericanCanuck	Dec 2020	#155
I like her!	Iggo	Dec 2020	#126
I wish she would temper her anger and channel it better. I fully support her	Vivienne235729	Dec 2020	#136
in regard to your final question:	aidbo	Dec 2020	#159
Fantastic post. AOC could likely be the Speaker of the House sometime in the future, although	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#162
she keeps talking about leaving politics though	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#198
It won't be the end of the world either way, whether she stays or leaves	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#224
This message was self-deleted by its author	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#225
No, the job has nothing to do with personal politics or "fighting."	betsuni	Dec 2020	#202
I like her overall	MustLoveBeagles	Dec 2020	#171
She's never won an election against a Republican	treestar	Dec 2020	#172
This is more or less how I feel	BannonsLiver	Dec 2020	#180
Didn't she just beat Republican challenger John Cummings?	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#181
Have you ever lived in a blue city?	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#200
Are you suggesting that AOC deserves no credit for trouncing John Cummings?	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#222
It means she doesn't have experience winning	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#223
I understand what you're saying, but it's not her fault that she doesn't have	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#226
They likely wouldn't win in a swing district	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#227
That could be the case	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#228
In 2018	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#229
that's impressive	BainsBane	Dec 2020	#231
If she wasn't on the map already, that victory helped to put her on it	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#233
Not much	treestar	Dec 2020	#237
She was primaried this year	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#238
Ok, forgot that	treestar	Dec 2020	#239
Guess that depends on your perspective	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2020	#240
Maybe but she won in 2018 by winning the D primary	treestar	Dec 2020	#236
she has won two elections against Republicans	Celerity	Dec 2020	#184
She is fierce. And she is a threat.	Autumn	Dec 2020	#179
I would hope people would read up on the subject matter before talking.	rgbecker	Dec 2020	#186
+1000. Special interests pay people to troll internet sites so Im not surprised to see posts	diva77	Dec 2020	#192
+1000	Celerity	Dec 2020	#201
This is a fact. It takes time to learn to spot them.	Tommymac	Dec 2020	#245
They are not that hard to spot	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#252
I can't think of anything she said that I disagree with.	egduj	Dec 2020	#197
Dead on Pander0	denbot	Dec 2020	#199
I wish Senator Wellstone's life had not ended as quickly as it did. We have allowed the GOP to	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 2020	#205
Uusally if one discovers a celestial oject it gets names after them.	Tommymac	Dec 2020	#246
You were close. According to an article in Business Insider, it was named after her	usajumpedtheshark	Dec 2020	#250
Seems to me that too many here are spending time	Lunabell	Dec 2020	#208
Seems to me too many have been spending time bashing Democrats	betsuni	Dec 2020	#210
Seems to me you hit the nail on the head	mtnsnake	Dec 2020	#220
AOC is like the kindly grandchild who buys stuff from Amazon	Roisin Ni Fiachra	Dec 2020	#212
And...you're a confused but grateful octogenarian in your scenario?	Hortensis	Dec 2020	#221
I don't bash her publicly	coolhandlulu	Dec 2020	#216
'Disrespectful of elders' has been used in the past to hide a lot of nastiness.	Tommymac	Dec 2020	#247
+100000000	Celerity	Jan 2021	#261
The "elders" in charge today have fucked us over and led to the current ruin of our country today	ansible	Jan 2021	#262

Edit History

Please login to view edit histories.