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msfiddlestix

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32. Interesting points.

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:01 PM

Dec 2020

I hadn't considered the example of treaties, but the fact that the Constitution is silent on abandoning treaties better articulates my intuitive or gut level question on the matter with Pardons. It seems to me, the Constitution is silent on the power to revoke.

But in reality, I don't see Biden wanting to take this on as a matter of priority. Just wondered if it was possible to pursue.

I just watched Andrew Weismen (sp?) on Rachel tonight, and he did offer a point worth paying attention to and that is a corrupt Pardon for corrupt purposes, bribery etc. He also said it would be difficult to prove.

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Suppose Biden Revokes all these Pardons.. [View all] msfiddlestix Dec 2020 OP

No, he can't. Executive orders cannot undo the Constitution StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #1

Well then. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #12

Presidents have virtually unlimited power to pardon,, so Trump pardons art upending the Constitution StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #24

I agree to the extent what is normal (my word) msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #27

He cannot do that. MineralMan Dec 2020 #2

On the bright side, it only applies to federal crimes, & they give up their 5th Amendment right, & Hekate Dec 2020 #52

I would LOVE to see Biden reverse them. grumpyduck Dec 2020 #3

Come up for air every now and then TlalocW Dec 2020 #5

Close enough. grumpyduck Dec 2020 #6

I think that argument is doomed to fail. Should try others though bullimiami Dec 2020 #4

I think that there's better things to do. David__77 Dec 2020 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #8

Not even then. If a pardon was given as a bribe, that corrupt act might be The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #11

He can't. The presidential pardon power is absolute. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #9

Too bad lying to the FBI isn't a state crime. Ligyron Dec 2020 #10

If they lie to the FBI tomorrow. C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #31

You're absolutely right. Ligyron Dec 2020 #48

The Constitution says nothing about Executive Orders. brooklynite Dec 2020 #13

DU needs a civics class, bigly. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #18

So my post was a question seeking the answer msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #35

I'm sorry; I didn't intend to insult anyone. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #37

Sure msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #39

Why does DU need a civics class when everyone uses google? mtnsnake Dec 2020 #38

We actually do have a few Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #49

Not just a class. An entire semester. onenote Dec 2020 #19

At the very least, a designated group maybe... littlemissmartypants Dec 2020 #30

only sometimes? n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #20

Seriously didn't need the insult. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #29

Hang in there; we are all rather raw right now, & a bit testy. I know I am. Welcome to DU anyway.... Hekate Dec 2020 #53

I have been struggling mightily to keep from panicking, msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #54

EOs are not mentioned in the Constitution sarisataka Dec 2020 #14

Let him have them... VarryOn Dec 2020 #15

Congress can investigate the pardons. The Rich pardon comes to mind. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #16

and what did the investigation of the Rich pardon produce? onenote Dec 2020 #21

Of course it was, but one of these things is not like the other. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #23

Very dangerous msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #33

corrupt intent can be investigated mnmoderatedem Dec 2020 #50

That almost surely can't be done, but I think it's an interesting question. unblock Dec 2020 #17

Interesting points. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #32

Yeah if any pardon could be overturned in court, unblock Dec 2020 #34

Exactly, then there's Don the Mob Con. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #36

The US can withdraw from a treaty when the treaty expressly allows for it. onenote Dec 2020 #44

Many of these people will commit another crime Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #22

My gut reaction is that a subsequent President cannot reverse a pardon. TomSlick Dec 2020 #25

I would dance for joy! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2020 #26

No he can't. I'm not bothered by these pardons, they are all criminal sleazebags who will Autumn Dec 2020 #28

The only thing that be done now is amend the Constitution, RDANGELO Dec 2020 #40

indeed. But I think I remember it requires 2/3rds of both House and Senate, right? msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #41

Give it a year or so, I think the Republicans would go along with it. RDANGELO Dec 2020 #42

I haven't seen evidence of Reverence for the Constitution by the majority of that party msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #46

Yes, dware Dec 2020 #45

Oh that's right, it requires the States to ratify too. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #47

In the case of the Blackwater war criminals... RainCaster Dec 2020 #43

The Hague? I'd call the the Iraqi leadership... Silent3 Dec 2020 #55

Courts have found that a pardon can be revoked up until the point it has been "delivered". PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #51