General Discussion

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)

47. Oh that's right, it requires the States to ratify too.

Reply to dware (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:55 AM

Dec 2020

hmm, well that shoots that idea all to hell. Geeze.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

55 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Suppose Biden Revokes all these Pardons.. [View all] msfiddlestix Dec 2020 OP

No, he can't. Executive orders cannot undo the Constitution StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #1

Well then. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #12

Presidents have virtually unlimited power to pardon,, so Trump pardons art upending the Constitution StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #24

I agree to the extent what is normal (my word) msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #27

He cannot do that. MineralMan Dec 2020 #2

On the bright side, it only applies to federal crimes, & they give up their 5th Amendment right, & Hekate Dec 2020 #52

I would LOVE to see Biden reverse them. grumpyduck Dec 2020 #3

Come up for air every now and then TlalocW Dec 2020 #5

Close enough. grumpyduck Dec 2020 #6

I think that argument is doomed to fail. Should try others though bullimiami Dec 2020 #4

I think that there's better things to do. David__77 Dec 2020 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #8

Not even then. If a pardon was given as a bribe, that corrupt act might be The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #11

He can't. The presidential pardon power is absolute. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #9

Too bad lying to the FBI isn't a state crime. Ligyron Dec 2020 #10

If they lie to the FBI tomorrow. C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #31

You're absolutely right. Ligyron Dec 2020 #48

The Constitution says nothing about Executive Orders. brooklynite Dec 2020 #13

DU needs a civics class, bigly. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #18

So my post was a question seeking the answer msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #35

I'm sorry; I didn't intend to insult anyone. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #37

Sure msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #39

Why does DU need a civics class when everyone uses google? mtnsnake Dec 2020 #38

We actually do have a few Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #49

Not just a class. An entire semester. onenote Dec 2020 #19

At the very least, a designated group maybe... littlemissmartypants Dec 2020 #30

only sometimes? n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #20

Seriously didn't need the insult. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #29

Hang in there; we are all rather raw right now, & a bit testy. I know I am. Welcome to DU anyway.... Hekate Dec 2020 #53

I have been struggling mightily to keep from panicking, msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #54

EOs are not mentioned in the Constitution sarisataka Dec 2020 #14

Let him have them... VarryOn Dec 2020 #15

Congress can investigate the pardons. The Rich pardon comes to mind. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #16

and what did the investigation of the Rich pardon produce? onenote Dec 2020 #21

Of course it was, but one of these things is not like the other. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #23

Very dangerous msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #33

corrupt intent can be investigated mnmoderatedem Dec 2020 #50

That almost surely can't be done, but I think it's an interesting question. unblock Dec 2020 #17

Interesting points. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #32

Yeah if any pardon could be overturned in court, unblock Dec 2020 #34

Exactly, then there's Don the Mob Con. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #36

The US can withdraw from a treaty when the treaty expressly allows for it. onenote Dec 2020 #44

Many of these people will commit another crime Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #22

My gut reaction is that a subsequent President cannot reverse a pardon. TomSlick Dec 2020 #25

I would dance for joy! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2020 #26

No he can't. I'm not bothered by these pardons, they are all criminal sleazebags who will Autumn Dec 2020 #28

The only thing that be done now is amend the Constitution, RDANGELO Dec 2020 #40

indeed. But I think I remember it requires 2/3rds of both House and Senate, right? msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #41

Give it a year or so, I think the Republicans would go along with it. RDANGELO Dec 2020 #42

I haven't seen evidence of Reverence for the Constitution by the majority of that party msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #46

Yes, dware Dec 2020 #45

Oh that's right, it requires the States to ratify too. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #47

In the case of the Blackwater war criminals... RainCaster Dec 2020 #43

The Hague? I'd call the the Iraqi leadership... Silent3 Dec 2020 #55

Courts have found that a pardon can be revoked up until the point it has been "delivered". PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #51