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gcomeau

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90. Listen...

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:55 PM

Oct 2012

1. One person expressing their opinion to others on a discussion forum is not the equivalent of one person telling another group of people they AREN'T ALLOWED to have an opinion. I'm not telling you that any more than you're telling me that by disagreeing with ME in that response. Understand?

2. YES, make us look desperate. Just like the idiots yelling about the unemployment numbers being cooked make the other side look desperate. And no, I'm not saying the two claims are equivalent, theirs is clearly more crazy, but that's beside the point. The optics are the optics. In the view of the majority of the country people yelling and screaming about Romney cheating in the debate when they have a ridiculously easy response you can't knock down sounds like nothing except desperation. And it inflates the impression in their minds that there is a reason for you to BE desperate.

3. Yes, a non starter. It's already dead. The Romney campaign didn't have to "come out and defend themselves" and this hasn't harmed them. A single "It was a hanky" response to a question is not being on the defensive and that effectively killed the entire story. If you think otherwise you're being delusional.

4. Until you get the video you need to determine the truth??? What are you going to do, travel back in time and place additional cameras with high resolution imagery of the surface of Rowney's podium? What the hell are you expecting is suddenly going to show up? The footage they're withholding from the invisible cameraman who was standing over Romney's shoulder through the whole debate?

Bottom line, I'm not a fan of the "as long as it's something our side likes we support it beyond all reason" line of thinking. I am firmly in the "police your own side" camp. And on this issue some people on our side needed pushback, so I'm pushing. Don't like it? Let me slip into your shoes for a second....

"You can't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on!" (See how annoying that is?)

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Guys, it was a handkerchief. [View all] Chichiri Oct 2012 OP

I suspect it was a handkerchief on top of the notes... i.e., BOTH hlthe2b Oct 2012 #1

It was a pair of magic underdrawers! randome Oct 2012 #2

Who is "they" and how do YOU know this? MADem Oct 2012 #3

Video is "they". gcomeau Oct 2012 #8

Mitt keeps trying to wipe the smirk off his face awake Oct 2012 #19

he trying to wipe the cocaine he sniffed...cuz his upper lip was red ALL NIGHT n/t onecent Oct 2012 #64

lol Kurovski Oct 2012 #99

It's infused with the scent of money jberryhill Oct 2012 #27

LOL! KurtNYC Oct 2012 #37

That looks smaller and softer than the thing he threw down on the dais. MADem Oct 2012 #43

First... gcomeau Oct 2012 #50

Stop playing the "oooooooh nooooo Mister Bill" game--I am not buying it. MADem Oct 2012 #59

well said 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #82

+1 madokie Oct 2012 #93

+1 Kurovski Oct 2012 #100

MADdem you nailed it goclark Oct 2012 #103

Hankies do not bounce but a transmitting device might. kiranon Oct 2012 #53

That was four years ago, though, not this debate. I like lucite podia, actually. NT MADem Oct 2012 #58

Use softens fabric. Folding it would be normal. & DISPLAYING it could be innoculation. nt patrice Oct 2012 #77

If it was pressed, though--it would show wrinkles. I'm not seeing any. MADem Oct 2012 #81

I wonder what was written on the handerchief? Much better way to smuggle in talking points, sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #67

Then fold it four times and blow your nose with it or wipe off your grime, and hand it to your kid! MADem Oct 2012 #83

I think we can handle the 7.8 and speculation on whether 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #80

Listen... gcomeau Oct 2012 #90

Listen and understand? 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #92

If you think you're going to "police" DUers, you're in for a surprise. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #94

Read first, respond second. gcomeau Oct 2012 #109

Wrong. He cheated and it's been proven. Zoeisright Oct 2012 #4

What they picked up is an opinion piece by a Dem strategist. Chichiri Oct 2012 #25

But putting a Hanky on the Podium is not part of Mitt's Ritual ... Here's what Ann has to say ... JoePhilly Oct 2012 #5

Where does he wipe his face with it - please post. polichick Oct 2012 #6

Handkerchief bounce when they land on hard surfaces? liberal N proud Oct 2012 #7

Too much starch! That's what it was. BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #12

BINGO Myrina Oct 2012 #24

The overt nose-wipe was just to "prove" it was a handkerchief. BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #95

Maybe Magic Handkerchiefs do! n/t RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #48

"They" are certainly my chief concern DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #9

It was a paper AND a handkerchief. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #10

OMG we've reached Faye Dunaway in Chinatown territory tishaLA Oct 2012 #18

it could very well be the cheat notes wrapped in the hankie 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #28

Lol! Look at the tape. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #36

LOL, I was thinking of the old SNL fake commercial -- "It's a dessert topping AND a floor wax." n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #72

It looked like 2 items were put on the podium- notice when he starts placing them. lumpy Oct 2012 #91

No, it wasn't... but thanks anyways... n/t Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #11

It is stiff when he hands it to his son siligut Oct 2012 #13

+1 nt hifiguy Oct 2012 #32

His sons treasure his nasal leakage! They have a collection at home! randome Oct 2012 #35

Blech or lol siligut Oct 2012 #55

The hanky was thrown on the lectern. The sheets of paper provided by the commission for him to Native Oct 2012 #56

look at the up close pics 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #85

Rough draft of his concession speech. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2012 #14

Funny, no one seems to be laughing. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #15

then why did Mitt work so hard to hide it? Botany Oct 2012 #16

One of the shows had him wiping off sweat on his upper lip. dkf Oct 2012 #17

Derision is SOP for cheaters siligut Oct 2012 #20

bingo 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #29

What men keep their hankerchiefs out of their pocket BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #21

Fops from the 17th Century. Kurovski Oct 2012 #106

A guy named Loius Armstrong used to! whistler162 Oct 2012 #107

What a stupid post. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #22

that's not just a hankie 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #23

Inclined to disagree with the OP BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #26

It's stiff as a board. hifiguy Oct 2012 #30

I believe you are right MFM008 Oct 2012 #101

Clothers Capt. Obvious Oct 2012 #31

Romney wrote notes on his handkerchief? That's a sinister way to cheat. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #33

Is a handkerchief allowed? aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #34

So, he admits he overheats and has perspiration issues. tinrobot Oct 2012 #38

Who hands a used hanky to his son? Generic Other Oct 2012 #39

Linen or cotton doesn't bounce when dropped... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #40

Except it turned into paper after the debate, when Mitt walked back to collect "the evidence" aletier_v Oct 2012 #41

At this point some are grasping at straws. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #42

look at the video 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #88

The hanky, if present, was used to conceal the paper. kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #44

"the only thing that Romney takes is paper. Not a handkerchief. " KurtNYC Oct 2012 #45

The Hanky is a meme now ... everyone agrees you don't hand a hanky to your son and it doesn't cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #49

It was Hanky Panky ! KurtNYC Oct 2012 #65

And unfortunately I checked in at Comedy Central, and they have dubbed it a Conspiracy Theory cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #74

Is There A Video Available Of The Retrieval And Handing To His Son After The Debate?... global1 Oct 2012 #46

It's the same video only it's at the very end after Obama and Michelle leave lunatica Oct 2012 #57

it's in the other threads n/t riverwalker Oct 2012 #89

I've thought about this a few minutes..it doesn't matter..not really Stuart G Oct 2012 #47

So he carried his handkerchief in his pants pocket to the debate jsmirman Oct 2012 #51

the notes at the end were DIFFERENT than the square at the beginning. You're all getting confused. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #52

You obviously didn't watch the video aletier_v Oct 2012 #54

His son didn't retrieve anything. He did and tried to put it in both breast pockets lunatica Oct 2012 #60

I'll bite... who says notes can't be written on a handkerchief? nt justiceischeap Oct 2012 #61

I *ahem* used to know people who wrote their crib sheets on pieces of gum ... Bake Oct 2012 #62

It's possible to write notes on a white hankerchief. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #63

Heh. I had the same thought. But I used to teach high school. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #71

Agreed. NightOwwl Oct 2012 #66

I think it's odd how he sneakily threw it on the podium on the downlow Pithlet Oct 2012 #68

I think we need Stephen Colbert to help us out. Show us how to do a stack of papers with a hanky cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #69

Anybody who can pop a bunny out of a paint can should be able to do this easily. n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #73

I really really don't care. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #70

He had one of his servants embroider the notes on the hankie in 8-point Times New Roman. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2012 #75

You can write on silk quite nicely, especially some that has had a fabric treatment. nt patrice Oct 2012 #78

Yeah, Mormons are never "toastmasters", so they've never used handkercheifs in surreptitious ways & patrice Oct 2012 #76

It was a fold-up teleprompter, one invented special for the debate Coyotl Oct 2012 #79

Here it is in close-up and slo-mo Michigan Alum Oct 2012 #84

Why would he go to this sleight of hand to hide a handkerchief? itsrobert Oct 2012 #87

So, was it a used hanky he tried to put in either of his inside suit pockets, then handed it to sad sally Oct 2012 #86

That's O.K. if it was. Wingnuts send out discredited chain letters all the time UTUSN Oct 2012 #96

The first clue should have been when he pulled it out of his right front pocket - lynne Oct 2012 #97

Was it or was it not? Perhaps if "Mitch" didn't have a public perception problem nc4bo Oct 2012 #98

It COULD have been BOTH, a hanky and some notes 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #102

His lies were against his former stances, cheatsheets or not, he's a lying SOB whoring himself which mother earth Oct 2012 #104

we are left with two gaps of logic grasswire Oct 2012 #105

Sure, & Mittens doesn't lie Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #108