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JackRiddler

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13. Today is also a crucial period.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 12:22 AM
Oct 2012

Samaras and ND are leading the charge on the next round of austerity as ordered by the Troika, despite the disastrous results of the first two rounds, with a shrinking economy making it ever more impossible that Greece can get out of the hole. Austerity in the midst of 50% unemployment for those under 30! All this is delaying the inevitable - default and drachma. Adopting a Golden Dawn-style position on immigrants and refugees doesn't endear ND to me, either. ND also assented to the brief bankers' junta earlier this year.

ND is historically responsible for the least productive and most odious parts of the debt -- those accumulated at higher interest rates under the swap deals with GS and JPM Chase so as to falsify actual public debt levels. For that alone this party should no longer exist. They have weathered political rejection better than PASOK only because Papandreou refused the historic opportunity to do the right thing immediately in 2009, and fucked up throughout the next three years of crisis. He should have defaulted on ND's secret deals as soon as these were revealed. He should have also gone ahead with the referendum idea earlier this year. Instead his incompetence (presumably intentional) opened the way for ND's return. Both of the traditional ruling parties must and will go. The longer it takes for an anti-austerity, anti-troika government to come to power from the left, the more popular Golden Dawn is going to get.

Hope from a distance is cheap, but right now mine is vested in Spain and Portugal. If the governments there fall and anti-austerity governments come to power, it may sweep the rest of the austerity regimes out in a 1989-style wave.

More and more, I'm starting to think that Greece should leave the Euro. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #1
Yes it should. dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #4
They can't walk away from debt secured against state assets... why? Zalatix Oct 2012 #15
The subject is fully covered by International Law. dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #18
FIY tama Oct 2012 #21
I'm aware that curently dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #22
Details differ from country to country tama Oct 2012 #23
They should have left long ago, all of these countries should have run like crazy sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #17
Actually common currency is handy tama Oct 2012 #24
Oddly Greeks are the most supportive of the Euro. What's a Greek politician to do? pampango Oct 2012 #20
Cancelling odious debt tama Oct 2012 #29
Greek PM is just another fascist tama Oct 2012 #2
The ones who suffer are the people because the greed of politicans and bankers. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #3
I think in the case of politicians it was more idealism than greed. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #5
You don't think there will be another war in europe? I hope your right as I have relatives who live southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #8
I don't believe so tama Oct 2012 #45
I hope your right but I dunno. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #47
The original "idealism" tama Oct 2012 #42
can't greece sue goldman sux? pansypoo53219 Oct 2012 #6
No. Greece asked Goldman to help them cook their books Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #7
Oh! Goldman merely provided a criminal service, right? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #14
It doesn't follow dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #19
If I'm not mistaken tama Oct 2012 #35
I meant Europe dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #37
"The Greeks" JackRiddler Oct 2012 #41
Says one of the primary perpetrators of this "collapse." JackRiddler Oct 2012 #9
how do you figure? he's been leader of the opposition 2009-2012, was finance minister july 1989- HiPointDem Oct 2012 #12
Today is also a crucial period. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #13
he's been in power 4 months. for that reason, i wouldn't call him a *primary* perpetrator. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #16
Details, schmetails tama Oct 2012 #27
Screw Papandreou. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #31
Do disagreement there. tama Oct 2012 #32
Farce by Brecht, I'd say. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #40
Heh tama Oct 2012 #43
If you're working with the Troika to push austerity... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #30
"turning off the lights for households who can't afford their new taxes" tama Oct 2012 #34
That's great news, and I agree with you. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #39
sorry to split hairs; my disagreement is with the word *primary* which to me implies setting up HiPointDem Oct 2012 #46
K&R woo me with science Oct 2012 #10
Hmmm. Usually the big capitalists will use the threat of fascism.......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2012 #11
It is exactly that tama Oct 2012 #25
The Greek equivalent of Bastille Day? ananda Oct 2012 #26
I'd say storming the military headquarters gets fairly close to that. bemildred Oct 2012 #28
Look to Iceland. nt woo me with science Oct 2012 #33
Iceland is not a complete bed of roses dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #36
There is no complete bed of roses tama Oct 2012 #38
They are the only country that is rebounding. The damage done was immense, no one expected sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #44
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