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tama

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27. Details, schmetails

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:20 AM

Oct 2012

The Big Gorilla for US political system is the analogy between Pasok and Democrats, as Greece was also a de facto corrupt two-party system not unlike US, until they had to openly join forces to maintain the rule by international capitalistic kleptocracy. Andreas Papandreou tried as his final deed to organize a referendum, however lame, over future of Greece, but the financial coup was already so far that his attempt for modicum of honor lead only to total surrender.

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Greek Prime Minister Warns of Societal Collapse Like Weimar Germany; Citizens Storm Defense Ministry [View all] HiPointDem Oct 2012 OP

More and more, I'm starting to think that Greece should leave the Euro. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #1

Yes it should. dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #4

They can't walk away from debt secured against state assets... why? Zalatix Oct 2012 #15

The subject is fully covered by International Law. dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #18

FIY tama Oct 2012 #21

I'm aware that curently dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #22

Details differ from country to country tama Oct 2012 #23

They should have left long ago, all of these countries should have run like crazy sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #17

Actually common currency is handy tama Oct 2012 #24

Oddly Greeks are the most supportive of the Euro. What's a Greek politician to do? pampango Oct 2012 #20

Cancelling odious debt tama Oct 2012 #29

Greek PM is just another fascist tama Oct 2012 #2

The ones who suffer are the people because the greed of politicans and bankers. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #3

I think in the case of politicians it was more idealism than greed. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #5

You don't think there will be another war in europe? I hope your right as I have relatives who live southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #8

I don't believe so tama Oct 2012 #45

I hope your right but I dunno. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #47

The original "idealism" tama Oct 2012 #42

can't greece sue goldman sux? pansypoo53219 Oct 2012 #6

No. Greece asked Goldman to help them cook their books Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #7

Oh! Goldman merely provided a criminal service, right? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #14

It doesn't follow dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #19

If I'm not mistaken tama Oct 2012 #35

I meant Europe dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #37

"The Greeks" JackRiddler Oct 2012 #41

Says one of the primary perpetrators of this "collapse." JackRiddler Oct 2012 #9

how do you figure? he's been leader of the opposition 2009-2012, was finance minister july 1989- HiPointDem Oct 2012 #12

Today is also a crucial period. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #13

he's been in power 4 months. for that reason, i wouldn't call him a *primary* perpetrator. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #16

Details, schmetails tama Oct 2012 #27

Screw Papandreou. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #31

Do disagreement there. tama Oct 2012 #32

Farce by Brecht, I'd say. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #40

Heh tama Oct 2012 #43

If you're working with the Troika to push austerity... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #30

"turning off the lights for households who can't afford their new taxes" tama Oct 2012 #34

That's great news, and I agree with you. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #39

sorry to split hairs; my disagreement is with the word *primary* which to me implies setting up HiPointDem Oct 2012 #46

K&R woo me with science Oct 2012 #10

Hmmm. Usually the big capitalists will use the threat of fascism.......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2012 #11

It is exactly that tama Oct 2012 #25

The Greek equivalent of Bastille Day? ananda Oct 2012 #26

I'd say storming the military headquarters gets fairly close to that. bemildred Oct 2012 #28

Look to Iceland. nt woo me with science Oct 2012 #33

Iceland is not a complete bed of roses dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #36

There is no complete bed of roses tama Oct 2012 #38

They are the only country that is rebounding. The damage done was immense, no one expected sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #44