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HAB911

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73. flamin, posted on my FB page this morning
Wed Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 AM
Jan 2021

The photo of NGs being issued weapons and ammo in front of our Capitol brought this to mind. Rank and file are NEVER issued weapons unless it is for real. One of the following examples will illustrate why. I was on the DMZ for a year. About three months of that time I was in the secure Message Center, by virtue of the fact I could type, by virtue of the fact I took typing in HS to be closer to the opposite sex, but I digress. My time in the Message Center included a daily courier service to Panmunjom with a pouch containing who knows what. I carried a .45 and my copilot carried an M16. Both were checked at the gate to Panmunjom or officially, The Joint Security Area or JSA and reissued for the return trip to HQ. The weapons were returned to the arms room and reissued each day for the run. No one was ever allowed to walk around with a weapon. Looks like I saved one of those issue cards for your review.

Rank and file are NEVER issued weapons unless it is for real. Other than for official duties as above, I was issued an M16 four times.
#1. Japan Airlines Flight 351. There were no fixed wing aircraft allowed over the DMZ. March 31, 1970 we all heard a jet overhead and saw him go overhead. We could not tell what type of aircraft it was. I vividly remember saying to myself, oh shit. And sure enough we went on alert and were all issued our weapons and ammo. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Japan_Airlines_Flight_351

#2. April, 1970 three North Korean infiltrators were killed and five South Korean soldiers wounded. I happened to have been CQ, Charge of Quarters that night when some ambulances carried some dead bodies out of our compound, thankfully I didn’t see them. Weapons and ammo issued.

#3. One day we went on alert because the North Koreans ambushed some soldiers at JSA. Not a notable incident like the one later in 1976 when they killed two, but it could have been. Weapons and ammo issued. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Korean_axe_murder_incident

#4. Now the point. The grunts that patrolled the DMZ of course were armed, issued and returned daily, as well as forced to empty all ammo at the range when coming off the DMZ. One day, some guy took his M16 back to his barracks and emptied it there. I don’t remember if anyone was killed, but we went on alert, weapons and ammo issued because no one knew what was going on.

Soldiers are as nuts as the general population. That’s why the push to allow weapon carry on military bases is a terrible idea. Truly funny side note. I arrived on the DMZ late on a Saturday night. I was awakened at dawn Sunday morning by .50 caliber fire, lots of gunfire, and assumed I was about to die. It was those grunts empting their weapons at the range. Funny story huh?

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Why wouldn't they be? bearsfootball516 Jan 2021 #1
This hardly ever happens obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #3
Good to know, I didn't know that. bearsfootball516 Jan 2021 #4
Indeed, it's always good to learn new things obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #28
Same here! I had no idea soothsayer Jan 2021 #35
That's not always the case. denbot Jan 2021 #8
Like Kent State. SergeStorms Jan 2021 #95
😖😢😡 ailsagirl Jan 2021 #131
Most people have no idea how paranoid the military is about their guns and ammunition. flamin lib Jan 2021 #13
Thanks for the insight and info Bradshaw3 Jan 2021 #30
Wow! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #34
On TV this morning, they showed them signing out their weapons. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #39
That seems very normal. I had to do that 50+ years ago. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2021 #132
Holy hell. MontanaMama Jan 2021 #87
I feel ya-in the pit of my stomach. I had the same sickening thought. BadgerMom Jan 2021 #99
The Military weeds out as many extremists as they can regardless of bent. I'll bet these troops ... marble falls Jan 2021 #106
I doubt that many of them are suicidal . . . flamin lib Jan 2021 #108
They sure were. Even with the non firing M-1's we got in boot camp. marble falls Jan 2021 #104
There are a few ways they can be depoyed Miguelito Loveless Jan 2021 #25
They're usually armed with rubber bullets, not live ammo. stopbush Jan 2021 #50
Why not? wcollar Jan 2021 #94
I feel sorry for the troops and their families fighting Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #2
They have to. A show of force is necessary for multiple reasons. I hope the state houses are still_one Jan 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #17
My son's NG unit just got called up to protect our statehouse until after the inauguration. mercuryblues Jan 2021 #24
Will they be armed? SheltieLover Jan 2021 #29
IDK mercuryblues Jan 2021 #42
I wish your son stays safe, and hopefully will deter the seditionists from doing anything still_one Jan 2021 #32
Same here mercuryblues Jan 2021 #51
Hoping and praying your son stays safe. Cinnamonspice Jan 2021 #63
No kidding! calimary Jan 2021 #105
If the terrorists come back, they will have to be mowed down. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #41
+1 - Wish that was not true, Lokee11 Jan 2021 #83
+1 K&R Let's pray we will have peace the next few days till Biden is ensconsed in the WH & the Con onetexan Jan 2021 #49
yea me too bdamomma Jan 2021 #74
Will there be sufficient National Guard units at state capitals if many units no_hypocrisy Jan 2021 #6
My guess is yes, there'll be more than enough Victor_c3 Jan 2021 #57
Can Ingersollman Jan 2021 #76
I was a Platoon Leader in Iraq, Feb 2004 - March 2005 Victor_c3 Jan 2021 #121
My Ingersollman Jan 2021 #123
Wow, you really know your stuff. Thanks for the info. BigBearJohn Jan 2021 #110
It isn't a "protest" if you bring guns. It is an act of WAR against your country. AKA TREASON. nt TigressDem Jan 2021 #7
Thank you! StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #22
+1 there's no such thing as an "armed protest." lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #43
There apparently is - if the "armed protesters" are white. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #45
Yeah. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #48
+1 Lokee11 Jan 2021 #85
Open carry or concealed carry is illegal in Washington DC, so the act of brining weapons still_one Jan 2021 #36
Good. hadEnuf Jan 2021 #9
It would be unconscionable for them to be defenseless against the mob Klaralven Jan 2021 #10
Like on 1/6? SheltieLover Jan 2021 #26
For those that pray, pray the National Guard is defense enough. nt TigressDem Jan 2021 #53
They are backed up by The United States Army Band "Pershing's Own" Klaralven Jan 2021 #84
Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region Klaralven Jan 2021 #92
Very serious paleotn Jan 2021 #11
I hope they're screening the National Guard troops to make sure they're not LaMouffette Jan 2021 #12
I heard someone say they are doing exactly that Siwsan Jan 2021 #16
It was reported last night that the Army are dware Jan 2021 #18
+1. I'm somewhat worried about this radius777 Jan 2021 #33
Sad how much of this was beneath the surface moonscape Jan 2021 #54
One hateful POS bdamomma Jan 2021 #75
That POS is just the pustule on the body of the (r)epuglicons and people like murdock, mercer erronis Jan 2021 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #14
... dware Jan 2021 #19
This might be just magical thinking but if someone, the AG or someone, put out a special in2herbs Jan 2021 #15
Maybe some SheltieLover Jan 2021 #23
That we heard about it means they did already. Iggo Jan 2021 #119
I hope the NG troops will be thoroughly vetted. At the very least, ecstatic Jan 2021 #20
Good! Let's hope they have "permission" to use it, if needed! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #21
SOME NG are expected to face a domestic terrorist mob notinkansas Jan 2021 #38
That's what I read. SheltieLover Jan 2021 #44
Those who would send in unarmed troops notinkansas Jan 2021 #55
That's not how chickenhawks roll SheltieLover Jan 2021 #59
That sounds strange. Troops are supposed to wait for the order to fire. Hekate Jan 2021 #125
Weapons should be used against insurrectionists. dalton99a Jan 2021 #27
... dware Jan 2021 #31
They need to be prepared to use deadly force radius777 Jan 2021 #37
Absolutely! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #47
Many if not most of the cops appeared complicit IMO radius777 Jan 2021 #58
Trying? Did they have difficulty opening or holding doors for terrorists? SheltieLover Jan 2021 #60
Two Dr.Bluebird42 Jan 2021 #127
Hadn't heard about maga hat terrorist cop SheltieLover Jan 2021 #128
Exactly +1 Lokee11 Jan 2021 #86
unfortunately, this can get out of hand quickly.... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #40
I prefer the preemptive vaccum approach, too! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #52
We have a very different National Guard these days. llmart Jan 2021 #102
This is nothing like Kent state. It's a unique moment in American history. Politicub Jan 2021 #118
The 2nd Amendment folks claim they need automatic weapons to stop the tyrranical Government... brooklynite Jan 2021 #46
They seem to have missed this: flamin lib Jan 2021 #64
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #71
Amendment 14 is applicable to complicit Republicans office holders; Requires a 2/3 vote to ACQUIT Marcuse Jan 2021 #80
Unusual but not unheard of sarisataka Jan 2021 #56
I'd announce live ammo, shoot to kill, etc., too. Rube militias should be under no illusions that Hoyt Jan 2021 #61
Sad that it's come to this. Cinnamonspice Jan 2021 #62
I agree-- with both things you wrote ailsagirl Jan 2021 #112
Sad. But necessary! Think about it.... 4 ...FOUR US presidents to be there. Obama, Clinton, Bush Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #65
I wonder if all the militias mobilized will reverse course or damn the torpedos. Maybe they will Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #66
Our guard troops are there for a good reason randr Jan 2021 #67
Easy targets Traildogbob Jan 2021 #68
Methinks that if ONE shot is fired by the magats Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #69
You Ingersollman Jan 2021 #70
A government that can't defend itself is not much of a government bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #72
flamin, posted on my FB page this morning HAB911 Jan 2021 #73
Your comment is as good as I have seen twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #88
Yes, sad cannon fodder HAB911 Jan 2021 #90
History gets rewritten and twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #93
Lets get this over with... Jon King Jan 2021 #77
very dangerous times llashram Jan 2021 #78
When I Was On National Guard Riot DUty In 1966 DallasNE Jan 2021 #79
In 1971 we had one man in each squad with a shotgun ashredux Jan 2021 #97
This is so sad, but absolutely necessary after the insurrection on 1/6/21. Could all be avoided iluvtennis Jan 2021 #81
K&R BlueJac Jan 2021 #82
This is SERIOUS - the guard WILL NOT be out-gunned by the Insurrectionists, that's rule #1 of the NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #89
The national guard today is not the same as in 1970 ashredux Jan 2021 #91
Traitors don't deserve blanks. Sneederbunk Jan 2021 #96
Let's see how the "Civil War" that cultists have craved... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #98
Let's hope the only deaths are from the hastily retreating stampede of y'all Qaeda. Crowman2009 Jan 2021 #100
More importantly, what are the Rules of Engagement? Aviation Pro Jan 2021 #101
Armed units are not trained to do crowd control. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #103
Those clems don't seem to understand that the US military is seriously geared up. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #107
good..Im in no mood for prisoners. samnsara Jan 2021 #109
Of course they should be armed! JamesJ Jan 2021 #111
Magats can martyr themselves at the alter of their bankrupt, treasonous Dotard. Pepsidog Jan 2021 #113
Hopefully Bear Creek Jan 2021 #114
I dont think they will show this time when faced with opposition they back down like snow flakes ace3csusm Jan 2021 #115
Nat. Guard is saying "fuck around and find out" apnu Jan 2021 #116
Simple message Bring it Trumpist. You will die. Roc2020 Jan 2021 #117
I told my mom and my husband last night that I have liberalhistorian Jan 2021 #122
My money is on the National Guard Vinnie From Indy Jan 2021 #124
Accelerationist Neo-Nazis call on Deployed National Guard to Join Their Cause Dr.Bluebird42 Jan 2021 #126
Rubes... czarjak Jan 2021 #129
All those shits going to the capital for their little civil war? THIS is their antifa. Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #130
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