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105. arguing that you know what will pass in this time is fine

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 03:13 PM

Jan 2021

...but it's not clear to me that republicans aren't chastened by the election enough to move off of their positions on Covid relief.

That's why we provide the opportunity for legislators to weigh in, and why advocacy is still vital. If we tell politicians we'll only support what THEY will tolerate, they'll basically cleave to that at voting time.

I don't know why I'm left explaining basic advocacy, but I'm exhausted with it..

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Some Seem Intent on Holding Joe Biden's Feet to the Fire, [View all] MineralMan Jan 2021 OP

I'm gonna give President-elect Biden a wide pass. Hugin Jan 2021 #1

As am I and as are most people. MineralMan Jan 2021 #5

Me too. Zoonart Jan 2021 #9

Thanks for the shout out to Vice President-elect Harris. Hugin Jan 2021 #17

She is the best. Zoonart Jan 2021 #23

Me three! nt pazzyanne Jan 2021 #137

Its unclear whether you are scolding left of center DUers or left of center elected representatives LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #139

Elected representatives tend to sort themselves out with MineralMan Jan 2021 #146

Thanks for clearing it up LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #151

Most reasonable, rational people will. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #39

ME TOO! Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #78

Exactly seta1950 Jan 2021 #101

Maybe they need their feet held to the fire!! It's utter nonsense Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #2

"Feet Held to the Fire" is a torture technique that dates MineralMan Jan 2021 #4

Thank you for giving me a much needed history lesson. Butterflylady Jan 2021 #115

Thank you. I'm noticing a definate parallel. Budi Jan 2021 #3

Completely effing ridiculous. So exhausted with all of these people. onecaliberal Jan 2021 #6

Biden needs heat from his left. It's useful. Laelth Jan 2021 #7

Nonsense! MineralMan Jan 2021 #11

I love you MineralMan but Nonsense! right back at you. PurgedVoter Jan 2021 #128

No disrespect but I'm pretty sure most people think Joe is a moderate luv2fly Jan 2021 #16

Joe's stimulus bill (as currently defined) is OUTRAGEOUSLY ... Laelth Jan 2021 #31

Yes, it actually is very liberal PatSeg Jan 2021 #70

Progressives asking for MORE give Joe cover. Laelth Jan 2021 #73

Perhaps PatSeg Jan 2021 #82

I am not sure how this works in real life. beastie boy Jan 2021 #36

Yep. That's how it works. Laelth Jan 2021 #63

I see what you're saying and it makes sense, how about a one word substitution to turn the heat down KS Toronado Jan 2021 #117

You are right, we need pressure from the left. Even more. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #125

I sense you don't care for AOC? Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2021 #37

I adore AOC. Laelth Jan 2021 #54

They'll claim Biden is a radical left-wing socialist no matter what he does IronLionZion Jan 2021 #110

I agree w/ you. And these same people see what trump did in encouraging the mob to lash SWBTATTReg Jan 2021 #8

He gets a four year grace period from me...he has a tough job ahead. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #34

One sure thing about being President grumpyduck Jan 2021 #10

We do not have to participate in that, MineralMan Jan 2021 #13

We also don't need to participate in cult like behavior Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #98

Well, I'm not one of those who will be critical of Biden. Sure, as time goes on and PatrickforO Jan 2021 #12

Like Obama was subject to 'reasonable criticsm' which cost us the House and the Senate and Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #38

Well, not to split hairs, but Obama was an excellent president who had the temerity PatrickforO Jan 2021 #90

Not surprised by hearing from the Peanut Wellstone ruled Jan 2021 #14

that's absurd. Biden has made a proposal that will be debated in Congress bigtree Jan 2021 #15

Something is certainly absurd. MineralMan Jan 2021 #19

that seems to go both ways bigtree Jan 2021 #46

The thread that prompted this post is no longer visible MineralMan Jan 2021 #84

we shouldn't start our debate from the 'middle' bigtree Jan 2021 #88

I disagree, given the 50/50 split in the Senate. MineralMan Jan 2021 #94

arguing that you know what will pass in this time is fine bigtree Jan 2021 #105

Advocacy and attack on those who are trying to achieve the goals MineralMan Jan 2021 #108

I'm sorry bigtree Jan 2021 #116

In other words, the usual politics on our side...What has that gained us in terms of policy Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #43

we've been taught this cynicism by this corrupt administration bigtree Jan 2021 #53

In a different time perhaps...but we see what happened to the Obama presidency...we should Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #62

who says we won't 'unite?' bigtree Jan 2021 #69

It is not a vigourous debate... I have no doubt that Biden wants as much as possible...there is Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #92

there's going to be an opportunity for congressfolk and senators to weigh in bigtree Jan 2021 #95

When some basically call Biden a liar over the $2000...that is not just debate. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #153

you made up rhetoric here and then argued against your own invention bigtree Jan 2021 #156

+1 betsuni Jan 2021 #159

I avoid those posts/posters, but... Dem2 Jan 2021 #18

You can always count on me to do that. MineralMan Jan 2021 #20

Thank you! justhanginon Jan 2021 #140

As Democrats we pay attention to Democrats who are campaigning for office. I refuse to believe Autumn Jan 2021 #21

Oh, yes, I'm used to it. MineralMan Jan 2021 #25

The Senator "represented in my avatar is and has been talking" about Americans getting Autumn Jan 2021 #42

I also find the violent ballerina image in your signature MineralMan Jan 2021 #48

I find it hilarious. It was even funnier on TV. Autumn Jan 2021 #60

I'm sure you do. MineralMan Jan 2021 #64

You've been very open about your family life. I will admit to having kids and many grand kids. Autumn Jan 2021 #87

I have never found deliberate violent assault on another person amusing. MineralMan Jan 2021 #89

I don't mind at all MM. There is ZERO possibility you and I will ever stand next to each other. nt Autumn Jan 2021 #91

It's a comedy bit, for goodness sake. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #103

Sure doesn't look like it to me. MineralMan Jan 2021 #106

Obscure little show called America's Got Talent. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #113

lol Celerity Jan 2021 #133

I don't care who doesn't like it, that shit is funny! Autumn Jan 2021 #155

+1000 Celerity Jan 2021 #132

Bernie also described the payments as a 'first step' bigtree Jan 2021 #72

Bernie Sanders as the Senate Budget Committee's new chair is the best thing that Autumn Jan 2021 #81

agreed bigtree Jan 2021 #86

OK, I found the complete video, after a serious Google search. MineralMan Jan 2021 #118

I have the only GIF that has no context? I don't think so. Thanks for the video, I knew Autumn Jan 2021 #122

Far more restrained response than I could have done! ;-) BamaRefugee Jan 2021 #141

It's just a game that some play. Autumn Jan 2021 #144

Maybe you're humorless Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #130

And maybe you don't know me at all. MineralMan Jan 2021 #147

When they came for TV and movie clip GIFs, there was no one left. Autumn Jan 2021 #149

I don't get it.. stillcool Jan 2021 #22

As I said elsewhere relayerbob Jan 2021 #24

Some will always remain in the backcourt, keeping MineralMan Jan 2021 #26

TY! bluestarone Jan 2021 #27

I have met Joe in person twice and I trust him Gothmog Jan 2021 #28

Thank you. I know you will. MineralMan Jan 2021 #30

What he said eom Hobo Jan 2021 #29

Your pre-emptive strike against "some" SharonClark Jan 2021 #32

"No proof, just accusations. " TwilightZone Jan 2021 #35

Lulz! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #40

Never did I tell people not to discuss anything. MineralMan Jan 2021 #41

You might want to look in the mirror. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #44

Pre-emptive strike? mcar Jan 2021 #52

Good suggestion. MineralMan Jan 2021 #66

Ideological purity must be maintained. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #33

THIS RIGHT HERE Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #107

Can I take that as confirmation my point is accurate? BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #161

+1 progressoid Jan 2021 #143

I think it has been pretty good, actually mvd Jan 2021 #45

Senator Sanders is not the President-Elect MineralMan Jan 2021 #55

I said in my post that I realize Biden is not Sanders mvd Jan 2021 #67

Medicare for all is not possible with this congress. Let's start with a public option which I Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #93

They at least waited until Obama was inaugurated before they started this nonsense mcar Jan 2021 #47

Or even just the last couple weeks PatSeg Jan 2021 #74

That's right mcar Jan 2021 #75

I can't even begin to imagine PatSeg Jan 2021 #85

Sadly, they did not wait a moment, beginning w his choice of minister for the invocation... Hekate Jan 2021 #157

Heat and pressure are fine. apnu Jan 2021 #49

Differences in opinion over policy do not constitute vicious attacks as some here want to maintain jcgoldie Jan 2021 #50

I haven't seen any differences of opinion over policy mcar Jan 2021 #57

Wheres the attack on Biden jcgoldie Jan 2021 #61

Lots of people attacking Biden in the OPs mcar Jan 2021 #65

You have to understand... tonedevil Jan 2021 #124

There are no attacks they were following Joe's lead. As far as Joe was concerned the $600 was never Autumn Jan 2021 #154

Agreed. What we don't need are straw man attacks on DU. n/t MarcA Jan 2021 #135

Thanks for taking the flak on this. I am just exhausted at this point.... Hekate Jan 2021 #51

That is true. MineralMan Jan 2021 #58

SSDD mostly ismnotwasm Jan 2021 #56

Indeed. MineralMan Jan 2021 #59

Joe is very accessible if you need to "put the heat on him" call him up Walleye Jan 2021 #68

Most people would not have the courage to address a President MineralMan Jan 2021 #71

True but you can talk to his people or at least communicating with him someway that isn't tweeting Walleye Jan 2021 #79

It's totally unacceptable IMO Chakaconcarne Jan 2021 #76

Thank you! MineralMan Jan 2021 #80

We need unity to stop COVID and fascism, and I support him 100%. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #77

In light of everything going on (and that's A LOT), I will give Biden a pass for now bc it is just Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #83

With a 50-50 senate, our expectations need to be realistic mcar Jan 2021 #126

with VP Harris as the tiebreaker. We got the house, senate, AND WH. Time to take a stand. Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #129

you are setting yourself up for disappointment (at this point I just want Trump's damage undone) Celerity Jan 2021 #150

I know you're right but I am not expecting it right now. I am hoping over time Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #163

Agreed ColoradoBlue Jan 2021 #96

It's a little bit like the parts of RW that now hate mcCONnell, Pence, and even McCarthy! Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #97

Yes. It's interesting, isn't it? MineralMan Jan 2021 #104

Well said. cwydro Jan 2021 #99

Go Joe marti Jan 2021 #100

All elected officials should have their feet held to the fire by constituents Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #102

No, they don't. Burned feet are hobbled. They slow a person down. pnwmom Jan 2021 #123

Sorry you disagree with the metaphor, IMO a little heat is a good thing. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #127

Joe can handle these "nut jobs"" Barbara2423 Jan 2021 #109

This isn't his first rodeo and he happens to agree with those people you are calling "nut jobs" Autumn Jan 2021 #152

I have been complaining notinkansas Jan 2021 #111

I do not mind arguments here. marie999 Jan 2021 #112

Started seeing that a couple weeks ago. So fucking annoying. C Moon Jan 2021 #114

He beat Trump... BlueJac Jan 2021 #119

Good Strong people marieo1 Jan 2021 #120

In support of your thoughts, I suggest the posters here read Obama's "A Promised Land." BarbD Jan 2021 #121

I agree with you dianaredwing Jan 2021 #131

Not holding his feet to the fire... Viz Jan 2021 #134

I think some of it is rethugs, foreign influence and/or bots. Of course, some is real as Americans judesedit Jan 2021 #136

Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work? His address yesterday..... mjvpi Jan 2021 #138

all who are llashram Jan 2021 #142

So in 6 days, criticism can resume. progressoid Jan 2021 #145

Prepare for the tsunami ;-) BamaRefugee Jan 2021 #148

K&R betsuni Jan 2021 #158

And in the real world outside political websites, Americans don't give a shit. GulfCoast66 Jan 2021 #160

This isn't new it's the standard for Democrats...a standard that we have to do away with. live love laugh Jan 2021 #162