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34. That has to do

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 11:59 PM

Jan 2021

with justice initiated pardons (regular order so to speak). Presidential initiated pardons do not have to abide by justice department rules.

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Well, fuck, Lawrence O'Donnell is now saying Trump can do secret pardons that we will never know [View all] Celerity Jan 2021 OP

its disputed i believe. not at all clear.nt. drray23 Jan 2021 #1

Anything like that would face immediate SC challenge... JHB Jan 2021 #2

how would we know if it is done secretly (other than if/when a person is charged with a related Celerity Jan 2021 #6

When he/they invokes it to say "nope, you can't charge me with that" JHB Jan 2021 #30

Yes, that is what I said. But is there a way to reveal them without charging someone with a crime Celerity Jan 2021 #35

They'd have to be recorded somewhere. And nothing says the following administration... JHB Jan 2021 #39

they have no value unless recipient is charged with a relevant crime lol nt msongs Jan 2021 #3

Or call3d to testify! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #5

That is what the MSNBC lawyer guests keep saying. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #4

So how would one prove (or disprove) a secret pardon? C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #7

I've no clue, I posted this hoping for answers from people more knowledgeable than I am on the Celerity Jan 2021 #8

Notary public like a will? exboyfil Jan 2021 #9

I assume there is an official document. And a way to verify. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #11

It would be in writing. Just not released publicly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #12

Can be written on anything? bobandrileysmom Jan 2021 #13

They really can't be written on anything. They need to be a verifiable document. onenote Jan 2021 #25

I totally agree. It needs to be documented. LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #29

I have been swearing for the last 10 minutes BigmanPigman Jan 2021 #10

I Said This Yesterday, And People Said I Was Dead Wrong sfstaxprep Jan 2021 #14

Explain what the value of a "secret" pardon is. brooklynite Jan 2021 #15

brand protection and shenanigans that can impede federal in investigations and prosecutions by Celerity Jan 2021 #16

You can go about your life. If charged, flash your secret get out of jail card. dem4decades Jan 2021 #19

Or, you can get a public pardon and go about your life. brooklynite Jan 2021 #21

But then the public knows. This helps Trump too. If the public knows dem4decades Jan 2021 #24

accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt Grasswire2 Jan 2021 #27

I would guess that, for the time being, one avoids the reputational Mike 03 Jan 2021 #40

No evidence that Nunes, Gaetz, Graham, Johnson need a Pardon brooklynite Jan 2021 #41

Any Federal charges? bobandrileysmom Jan 2021 #17

this seems to be an exact benefit of them being secret Celerity Jan 2021 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jan 2021 #18

I guess we should arrest all the Trumps immediately and find out. dem4decades Jan 2021 #22

Pardons aren't written on napkins. onenote Jan 2021 #23

I hope this is right. Celerity Jan 2021 #26

This is what a pardon looks like onenote Jan 2021 #28

yes, I know, I am simply relaying what the ex WH lawyer was saying, ie. that it did not have to Celerity Jan 2021 #36

There is a specific regulation governing how pardons are granted. onenote Jan 2021 #31

That has to do Sgent Jan 2021 #34

The Arpaio pardon was not DOJ initiated. onenote Jan 2021 #38

I would like to think they won't be kept secret from Biden Zorro Jan 2021 #32

MSNBC always finds the angle to outrage people Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #33

Exactly DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #42

90% of the negative threads here are based on MSNBC Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #43

Can't disagree with you DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #45

Secret pardons are garbage RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2021 #37

I don't buy that LymphocyteLover Jan 2021 #44