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DeminPennswoods

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45. Can't disagree with you

Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:05 PM

Jan 2021

I watch MSNBC, but it is definitely geared to fear, anger and outrage. I've started watching CNN more and the difference is obvious.

Chris Hayes, whose show can be really interesting when he delves into policy, has really been on a fear-mongering bent for months. Maddow's show is usually sane, though. O'Donnell's smart and good when he plays it straight, but that doesn't happen nearly often enough.

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Well, fuck, Lawrence O'Donnell is now saying Trump can do secret pardons that we will never know [View all] Celerity Jan 2021 OP

its disputed i believe. not at all clear.nt. drray23 Jan 2021 #1

Anything like that would face immediate SC challenge... JHB Jan 2021 #2

how would we know if it is done secretly (other than if/when a person is charged with a related Celerity Jan 2021 #6

When he/they invokes it to say "nope, you can't charge me with that" JHB Jan 2021 #30

Yes, that is what I said. But is there a way to reveal them without charging someone with a crime Celerity Jan 2021 #35

They'd have to be recorded somewhere. And nothing says the following administration... JHB Jan 2021 #39

they have no value unless recipient is charged with a relevant crime lol nt msongs Jan 2021 #3

Or call3d to testify! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #5

That is what the MSNBC lawyer guests keep saying. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #4

So how would one prove (or disprove) a secret pardon? C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #7

I've no clue, I posted this hoping for answers from people more knowledgeable than I am on the Celerity Jan 2021 #8

Notary public like a will? exboyfil Jan 2021 #9

I assume there is an official document. And a way to verify. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #11

It would be in writing. Just not released publicly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #12

Can be written on anything? bobandrileysmom Jan 2021 #13

They really can't be written on anything. They need to be a verifiable document. onenote Jan 2021 #25

I totally agree. It needs to be documented. LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #29

I have been swearing for the last 10 minutes BigmanPigman Jan 2021 #10

I Said This Yesterday, And People Said I Was Dead Wrong sfstaxprep Jan 2021 #14

Explain what the value of a "secret" pardon is. brooklynite Jan 2021 #15

brand protection and shenanigans that can impede federal in investigations and prosecutions by Celerity Jan 2021 #16

You can go about your life. If charged, flash your secret get out of jail card. dem4decades Jan 2021 #19

Or, you can get a public pardon and go about your life. brooklynite Jan 2021 #21

But then the public knows. This helps Trump too. If the public knows dem4decades Jan 2021 #24

accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt Grasswire2 Jan 2021 #27

I would guess that, for the time being, one avoids the reputational Mike 03 Jan 2021 #40

No evidence that Nunes, Gaetz, Graham, Johnson need a Pardon brooklynite Jan 2021 #41

Any Federal charges? bobandrileysmom Jan 2021 #17

this seems to be an exact benefit of them being secret Celerity Jan 2021 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jan 2021 #18

I guess we should arrest all the Trumps immediately and find out. dem4decades Jan 2021 #22

Pardons aren't written on napkins. onenote Jan 2021 #23

I hope this is right. Celerity Jan 2021 #26

This is what a pardon looks like onenote Jan 2021 #28

yes, I know, I am simply relaying what the ex WH lawyer was saying, ie. that it did not have to Celerity Jan 2021 #36

There is a specific regulation governing how pardons are granted. onenote Jan 2021 #31

That has to do Sgent Jan 2021 #34

The Arpaio pardon was not DOJ initiated. onenote Jan 2021 #38

I would like to think they won't be kept secret from Biden Zorro Jan 2021 #32

MSNBC always finds the angle to outrage people Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #33

Exactly DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #42

90% of the negative threads here are based on MSNBC Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #43

Can't disagree with you DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #45

Secret pardons are garbage RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2021 #37

I don't buy that LymphocyteLover Jan 2021 #44