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jcgoldie

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101. It isn't white fragility to call out ignorance

Thu Jan 28, 2021, 09:05 AM

Jan 2021

I'm not offended by it. I don't even really think it qualifies as racist because of the way the power relations work in our society. I just think that its completely ignorant, lacks any actual understanding for or appreciation of race or racism, and is probably self destructive. What is the message for anyone reading DU? Any of us or anyone else. That we are really really not racist because we aren't afraid to direct our hate at the hegemonic group? Or that its acceptable here to rant about hating groups of people because you are feeling self loathing? The problem isn't that "whiteness" is being highlighted and people are embarrassed by it or anyone is denying the reality of white privilege, the problem is that we are openly expressing it as hatred.

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I fucking hate White People [View all] sir pball Jan 2021 OP

Are "all" of them bad? Dan Jan 2021 #1

I think the majority of "us", yep. sir pball Jan 2021 #4

You really have a low opinion of yourself as you said above Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #176

Just about. SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #29

You have never heard such jokes by people of other races? former9thward Jan 2021 #49

I live in a multi race family SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #59

Oh my. cwydro Jan 2021 #64

Well the title of the thread is I fucking hate white people... SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #71

Lol. cwydro Jan 2021 #74

I Faux pas Jan 2021 #2

Thank you. Bucky Jan 2021 #3

... Faux pas Jan 2021 #11

Oh you're no fun! sir pball Jan 2021 #6

That's a weird version of white supremacy you're working there, Pball. Bucky Jan 2021 #8

I'm being farcical sir pball Jan 2021 #12

I've not read Candide. If this was the best of all possible worlds, tho, I would've had the time. Bucky Jan 2021 #15

All in the Same Boat Deacon Blue Jan 2021 #43

Posting while intoxicated is a bad idea, in general. MineralMan Jan 2021 #22

...and a waste of time. You could be operating heavy machinery instead Bucky Jan 2021 #30

Thank you. cwydro Jan 2021 #65

So disturbing to delicate white sensitivities. tonedevil Jan 2021 #79

So what will happen if someone posted the same thread with a different color than white? cwydro Jan 2021 #80

Because equality between races... tonedevil Jan 2021 #88

Maybe it's too late and time to go back to bed. cwydro Jan 2021 #89

You seem to think that a post.. tonedevil Jan 2021 #90

Oh dear, and again you left a comma out. cwydro Jan 2021 #118

OK Chief. /nt tonedevil Jan 2021 #124

I understand it perfectly well StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #106

How about in the context of just plain person-on-race racism? Hortensis Jan 2021 #163

Short explanation: Racism is systemic. Individual hatred is bigotry. Coventina Jan 2021 #227

They'd be castigated, even if sir pball Jan 2021 #208

He refers to Italian Americans as goombas Drahthaardogs Jan 2021 #236

... StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #5

If you DON'T... sir pball Jan 2021 #7

Exactly. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #26

This! SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #33

Perhaps, getting rid of "White" as an identifier is a start? Caliman73 Jan 2021 #9

And yet you seem fine using "Black" and "Brown" and "Other" as identifiers StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #61

+1 betsuni Jan 2021 #66

Absolutely! SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #68

And an OP referring to any other color people would not be alerted? cwydro Jan 2021 #76

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because it's true StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #82

Ah, I do love ya boo, and I never put anyone on ignore. cwydro Jan 2021 #84

"Black voters this, Latino voters that ..." crickets ... StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #85

I've spoken up numerous times about those generalizations. cwydro Jan 2021 #86

I will take what is White Fragility for 1400 Alex (RIP) Celerity Jan 2021 #81

Thank you for posting this StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #83

True. Many do get offended. White is the default. Caliman73 Jan 2021 #87

White is no more of a construct than brown or black are StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #99

I don't think ANY labels make sense. Caliman73 Jan 2021 #121

People of color didn't create the labels. White folks did StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #125

Agreed. Caliman73 Jan 2021 #129

How old are you, by the way? Hekate Jan 2021 #185

100000+ if I could like this a million times, I would. Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #164

Yep. sir pball Jan 2021 #209

Self-hatred is self-destructive MineralMan Jan 2021 #10

I don't hate myself, I hate what people do in my name. sir pball Jan 2021 #14

Nobody is doing anything in your name. MineralMan Jan 2021 #18

Oh boy... SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #35

Obviously...you're in denial Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #37

What? Posts that make sense? cwydro Jan 2021 #78

Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #104

So is literalism at the expense of actual intent. LanternWaste Jan 2021 #38

.. MineralMan Jan 2021 #47

Racists have to be a member of the race that has systemic control. Without that it's bigotry. Celerity Jan 2021 #94

So non-whites cannot be racist or bigoted? Or are not by virtue of their non-whiteness? Or what? Hekate Jan 2021 #184

Where did I say they couldn't be bigoted? I said bigotry is what discriminatory and/or hateful Celerity Jan 2021 #186

Last time I checked Joe Biden was white...just saying, broad brush paints broadly. cayugafalls Jan 2021 #13

That's true, but... AmyStrange Jan 2021 #16

NPD is not about self love. cayugafalls Jan 2021 #17

In other words, extreme self love... AmyStrange Jan 2021 #19

"Self-love, my liege, is not so vile a sin, as self-neglect..." LanternWaste Jan 2021 #39

I'd say it's more likely a way of compensating for extreme self hatred. Crunchy Frog Jan 2021 #41

I will agree that extreme self love is flawed. cayugafalls Jan 2021 #60

Privilege leads to worse behavior Bettie Jan 2021 #20

I'm not White. safeinOhio Jan 2021 #21

all humans are the same color, really... Bucky Jan 2021 #31

I'm getting mighty tired of this kind of self-flagellation Ron Obvious Jan 2021 #23

So am i Raine Jan 2021 #62

I hear ya. cwydro Jan 2021 #69

I really love the... tonedevil Jan 2021 #24

Thanks! sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #27

Well, you know VA_Jill Jan 2021 #32

Wypipo are on this thread... tonedevil Jan 2021 #55

Lol StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #100

Wow Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #25

You should delete this ignorant shit jcgoldie Jan 2021 #28

Thank you Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #36

Is it Racism Wednesdays already? Sympthsical Jan 2021 #34

Personally, I hate stupid people. Dr. Strange Jan 2021 #40

Best post. cwydro Jan 2021 #70

Along with stupid threads designed to start shit like we're seeing dware Jan 2021 #102

The OP didn't "start shit" StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #108

Respectfully, dware Jan 2021 #113

It seems the easiest course would have been to just ignore it and then it would have gone away StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #119

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. dware Jan 2021 #120

Teehehe, thanks sir pball Jan 2021 #210

Well then. I guess you hate me. msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #42

Alvin Ailey dancers perform Sinnerman from Revelations mnhtnbb Jan 2021 #44

I'm Chinese let me start an "I hate Asians" thread, see how well that plays here JuJuYoshida Jan 2021 #45

Good point. Blue_true Jan 2021 #58

Great singer, great song. RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2021 #46

WTF is this trash? DrToast Jan 2021 #48

Delete this thread Calculating Jan 2021 #50

So cringey kcr Jan 2021 #51

Me too, sometimes. Iggo Jan 2021 #52

I don't hate any skin color. Texasgal Jan 2021 #53

Exactly Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #235

I'm white, and some of my best friends were white people. PurgedVoter Jan 2021 #54

Kick... this is such a horrible post Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #56

So work to dismantle white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #57

Your comment seems to have been overlooked... tonedevil Jan 2021 #213

Such a disgusting post, Ugh! 👎 Raine Jan 2021 #63

What a pantload Zeus69 Jan 2021 #67

Lol Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #179

Speak out against White Supremacy like Joe Biden JI7 Jan 2021 #72

I hear you. Needs to be said Ron Green Jan 2021 #73

This whole thread is unconstructive. eom Wednesdays Jan 2021 #75

It solves nothing..... LeftInTX Jan 2021 #91

Nina Simone - Mississippi Goddam Celerity Jan 2021 #77

I fucking love this thread. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #92

I don't. (nt) Paladin Jan 2021 #109

Yes, unintentional comedy is the best. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #112

It is quite telling, is it not? Celerity Jan 2021 #187

The expression of raw emotion without the ease of a buffer scares some people. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #189

This is amazing StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #194

If my in-box is any indication, people are reading it. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #196

I don't blame them for not making it an OP sir pball Jan 2021 #215

Well said, especially this Bettie Jan 2021 #195

Thank you. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #197

I usually fail too Bettie Jan 2021 #198

The anger, defensiveness and outright nastiness in his thread from people who are offended by the OP StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #199

Got to say, I expected better Bettie Jan 2021 #201

I didn't StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #204

I've seen it here before regarding racial equality/equity, misogyny, homophobia. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #206

As do I sir pball Jan 2021 #216

I've done that before. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #222

Thanks for the understanding. sir pball Jan 2021 #226

Thank you. sir pball Jan 2021 #214

You're welcome. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #221

As I said elsewhere, "yasss fam!" sir pball Jan 2021 #229

I notice that the self-righteous on this thread have no guts to reply. Coventina Jan 2021 #230

You're welcome, Coventina. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #231

They won't reply because they have no reply. sir pball Jan 2021 #233

YASS FAM sir pball Jan 2021 #211

Yeah, but I have to work at it. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #223

Eh, it's easier to just embrace it sir pball Jan 2021 #225

Well BGBD Jan 2021 #93

For people upset about this OP: immunity. betsuni Jan 2021 #95

wow, tons of white fragility on this thread. Coventina Jan 2021 #96

It isn't white fragility to call out ignorance jcgoldie Jan 2021 #101

Thank you. Funny, either we're privileged or we're fragile. How can we be both? cwydro Jan 2021 #117

Privilege and fragility are not mutually exclusive StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #122

Yes ma'am. cwydro Jan 2021 #128

Why do you bother... tonedevil Jan 2021 #130

Oh, I find this rather enjoyable today. cwydro Jan 2021 #132

There is a quote from Maya Angelou... tonedevil Jan 2021 #134

No, you didn't get it. That's not what I said. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #131

Your wingman already pointed out how confused I am. cwydro Jan 2021 #133

As I said ... StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #166

Gay people haven't ever been a group that oppressed others Beringia Jan 2021 #135

I wouldn't get too worried about it BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #157

I like that term. cwydro Jan 2021 #161

Who invented this concept and why does anyone think it is going to help? treestar Jan 2021 #202

Why do you think a concept can't be discussed unless it "creates more fairness"? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #203

I just think most white people will naturally be defensive treestar Jan 2021 #207

Why should black folk pull our punches because telling the truth makes some white people defensive? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #212

This. Coventina Jan 2021 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #97

Great post Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #98

How fortunate to have the privilege.. tonedevil Jan 2021 #105

How kind was her gesture? phylny Jan 2021 #111

Extremely kind... tonedevil Jan 2021 #123

I weep when we give kind people no kindness. phylny Jan 2021 #126

Being white and saying... tonedevil Jan 2021 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #138

Do you understand why... tonedevil Jan 2021 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #146

Interesting that you feel free to say that the OP is offensive StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #155

You don't seem to understand the difference between seeing people's race StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #168

Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #169

Starfish must have really touched a nerve Empowerer Jan 2021 #173

Someone else who has moved beyond color. tonedevil Jan 2021 #174

I didn't know they were black until I started bragging about how I helped some black people EffieBlack Jan 2021 #178

I'm white, and when other white people say they "don't see" color ShazzieB Jan 2021 #177

Your kindness speaks volumes. phylny Jan 2021 #142

I believe you knew what the poster meant, even if the phrase is not to your liking. phylny Jan 2021 #139

The phrase is on a par with... tonedevil Jan 2021 #143

Interesting StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #150

Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #162

LOL BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #115

You probably don't mean it that way, but saying you "don't see color" is offensive StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #136

My post to you was very kind and an effort to help you see this from a different perspective StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #148

Do tell - what "agenda" am I "pushing"? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #152

I'm not quite sure either BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Jan 2021 #156

As I thought StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #160

You saw this family's color well enough to come here and announce you didn't notice they were mixed EffieBlack Jan 2021 #165

lol. nt ecstatic Jan 2021 #172

Well la dee da. dware Jan 2021 #103

Sometimes I just like to sit back and watch people argue mokawanis Jan 2021 #107

You're trying too hard IMO. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #114

LOL... WUT? Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #116

Lots of hurt dogs hollering in this thread. aidbo Jan 2021 #140

You hear it, too? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #147

I don't hate anyone. It's non-productive IMHO. Kaleva Jan 2021 #151

Wow, very zen. aidbo Jan 2021 #153

Not really. It's pretty easy not to let other's control your emotions. Kaleva Jan 2021 #192

You like this idea? treestar Jan 2021 #200

Quick question BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #145

This is the I hate white people thread if you want to hate all, start your own thread. 💫 aidbo Jan 2021 #158

Well that doesn't sound very inclusive. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #159

Like sibling says, start your own thread! sir pball Jan 2021 #217

LOL BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #237

This is some damn thread Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #167

But not *all* whites, right? aidbo Jan 2021 #170

Especially THOSE whites sir pball Jan 2021 #219

Where's the button for hiding this thread? Bucky Jan 2021 #171

Right under the OP, bottom left, Trash Thread... Hekate Jan 2021 #183

In this thread: People who are OK with racism Sympthsical Jan 2021 #175

I really can't believe that this is still up here BGBD Jan 2021 #181

I totally agree Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #193

This kind of juvenile sentiment discredits all the good causes liberals/progressives stand for gulliver Jan 2021 #180

I can tell by the use of Ergo... tonedevil Jan 2021 #182

Trashin this junk post Sugarcoated Jan 2021 #188

Should have been deleted but so be it Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #190

And it's still here fescuerescue Jan 2021 #191

I don't. But really do not trust albinos for shit........ Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2021 #205

I grew up in affluent 99 44/100 pure Ivory Soap Straight Christian White Boy World. hunter Jan 2021 #218

Sir pball Rustyeye77 Jan 2021 #220

Oh bullshit. trof Jan 2021 #228

I miss the old days. Dr. Strange Jan 2021 #232

I don't hate them Polybius Jan 2021 #234