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Johnny2X2X

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1. This is a mistake

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 08:27 AM

Feb 2021

They should have taken Manchin's $11 an hour offer because there's no way $15 will ever pass as a stand alone bill.

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Sanders defuses late-night fight over $15 minimum wage [View all] Uncle Joe Feb 2021 OP

This is a mistake Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #1

+ 11 My Pet Orangutan Feb 2021 #8

But... but... Bernie's crazy! And unreasonable! nt localroger Feb 2021 #2

Lol. That's an interesting interpretation. Squinch Feb 2021 #3

This is actually Biden's proposal which Sanders is on board with jorgevlorgan Feb 2021 #5

Does that mean he has caved to the establishment? Squinch Feb 2021 #9

No. That means that unlike the democrat Manchin, Bernie supports Joe Biden's agenda and realizes Autumn Feb 2021 #11

Gosh. That seems like incrementalism to me. I think it's fine, but in the past Squinch Feb 2021 #25

Yeah the "bros" have changed, they realize Joe is open to things changing. They respect a politician Autumn Feb 2021 #29

+1 betsuni Feb 2021 #52

Please stop it. All of us have to stay on the same page. Blue_true Feb 2021 #69

Yes. That's why most of us Democrats don't consider incrementalism to be a dirty word. Squinch Feb 2021 #70

Until we eliminate republicans as significant officeholders, Blue_true Feb 2021 #71

Most of us have never had a problem with that obvious fact. Squinch Feb 2021 #72

i like that Bernie's amenable to Biden's plan instead of being obstructionist to it, like the GOP onetexan Feb 2021 #27

Yes, hats off to Bernie. Autumn Feb 2021 #31

Jan 26th, 2021, and his 2019 bill: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #12

Thank you BarackTheVote Feb 2021 #32

Really? The legislation he's introduced in the past has had a five-year timeline too fishwax Feb 2021 #35

Does this make an ex-political revolutionary Sanders a middle of the road incrementalist? Amen! beastie boy Feb 2021 #4

No, it makes him a realist. nt babylonsister Feb 2021 #6

In the same sense it does all the politicians he derided as middle of the road incrementalists, no? beastie boy Feb 2021 #7

Funny how that works. Squinch Feb 2021 #10

Unlike middle of the road politicians Bernie recognizes what can happen in 2022 and 24 if things Autumn Feb 2021 #13

Let me see if I understand your point: beastie boy Feb 2021 #14

Yeah play it. Joe is not a middle of the road politician. And the agenda he is setting out there Autumn Feb 2021 #15

Joe used to be as middle of the road as they come when Bernie ran in the primaries. And worse. beastie boy Feb 2021 #16

Thank you, right there it is... "used to be" BOOM! There you go. nt Autumn Feb 2021 #17

My apologies. I will not attempt sarcasm again. beastie boy Feb 2021 #18

Sarcasm? No dude, you owned yourself. EOM. Autumn Feb 2021 #19

Like I said, I will refrain from using sarcasm when addressing you, since you don't seem to get the beastie boy Feb 2021 #20

Sanders proposed raising it to $15 *in steps over five years* in 2015 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #21

This shows he has the same goals, but the OP praises him for adopting a beastie boy Feb 2021 #22

The OP does no such thing. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #23

It was the legislators, not me, who were ignoring his proposal for 5 years. beastie boy Feb 2021 #26

"the distinction between proposals and achievements into a proper perspective for you." - No. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #28

So you don't get the distinction between proposals and achievements. Ok, it takes guts to admit your beastie boy Feb 2021 #46

"Do you call something Bernie's been saying for 5 years as an approach for achieving his goal?" Yes muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #48

Incrementalism/Third Way/neoliberal/centrist/elite/establishment/milquetoast betsuni Feb 2021 #56

You are totally right in your recollections. We were told R B Garr Feb 2021 #24

You are totally wrong in your assertion. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #30

Bernie never emphasized incrementalism. R B Garr Feb 2021 #33

You mean, apart from in the bills he sponsored? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #34

I recognize your invitation to get posts hidden, R B Garr Feb 2021 #39

I was thinking you'd be able to point to news articles, TV discussions, things like that muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #40

Were you here for the Bernie primaries when he ran R B Garr Feb 2021 #41

Odd - when I google that phrase, I get no results, from anyone muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #42

Oh dear. How strange that you can't google simple R B Garr Feb 2021 #43

You gave the quote incorrectly. So, no, it's not strange at all. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #44

So that was so confusing for you, too? An apostrophe, two R B Garr Feb 2021 #53

"another word that I typed incorrectly on my phone screen" - well, yes, that's how Google works muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #55

I actually left that for you to slobber over. I saw it when I looked again and figured you R B Garr Feb 2021 #58

The whole point is that Sanders has advocated a phased change in the minimum wage for 5 years muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #62

The fact is that you think people are stupid enough to R B Garr Feb 2021 #65

And, how laughable that you don't realize that the thread is lambasting Bernie R B Garr Feb 2021 #54

The context of the Sanders quote: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #57

Biden beat Bernie, so it's rather superficial to pick one topic from 2019 and pretend it R B Garr Feb 2021 #59

It was you who brought up that Sanders quote. I gave its context. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #63

You misrepresented what the 2016 thread was about, too, which R B Garr Feb 2021 #64

What a joke. You misrepresented this, as well. This quote is not from what you R B Garr Feb 2021 #73

I didn't "misrepresent" it at all. I pointed out where it came from. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #77

Wrong. You posted something entirely different and R B Garr Feb 2021 #78

No, I gave the one time Sanders gave the quote you used. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #79

Your petty personal sniping is only filling me with glee again R B Garr Feb 2021 #80

It's quite incredible that you, who are insisting this thread is about 2 past primaries muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #81

Oh, good luck with that. Calling people useless will R B Garr Feb 2021 #82

NYTimes: Bernie says "no" to Incrementalism, highlighting divide among Democrats R B Garr Feb 2021 #60

Bernie is "willing to accept incrementalism. He just doesn't want to talk about it." betsuni Feb 2021 #61

Exactly. It's just so basic to his entire campaign. R B Garr Feb 2021 #66

And that fifteen was the magic number, the only number: anything else wasn't progressive betsuni Feb 2021 #67

Yes! It's really pathetic that we have to pretend that 5 to 6 years of this nonsense R B Garr Feb 2021 #74

We were assured it was all about policy, when it was nothing but attacks on character. betsuni Feb 2021 #75

Perfectly stated, betsuni. Brings back the disgust at R B Garr Feb 2021 #76

Touche' Cha Feb 2021 #45

nah, this is pretty consistent with what he's advocated in the past fishwax Feb 2021 #36

This is consistent with legislation he has proposed in the past. Mariana Feb 2021 #50

+1 betsuni Feb 2021 #51

The D & R posse is still in full swing malaise Feb 2021 #37

By 2025, $15/hr will be very close to what businesses are DeminPennswoods Feb 2021 #38

Makes sense. Xolodno Feb 2021 #47

After the wage gets to $15 in 2025, it will be indexed muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #49

Florida voters approved a similar plan in November. Blue_true Feb 2021 #68