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beastie boy

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16. Joe used to be as middle of the road as they come when Bernie ran in the primaries. And worse.

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:19 AM

Feb 2021

To listen to Bernie, he was also an establishment elitist pushing neo-liberal policies. I am super glad Bernie changed his mind. I wish he did so in '16.

So if Biden is not middle of the road anymore, who is? If not Joe, how many Democrats can you name who are pushing an agenda that is to the right of Joe's and who don't recogize, as Bernie does, what could happen in '22 and '24 if things don't change? Are you by any chance referring to Republicans?

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Sanders defuses late-night fight over $15 minimum wage [View all] Uncle Joe Feb 2021 OP

This is a mistake Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #1

+ 11 My Pet Orangutan Feb 2021 #8

But... but... Bernie's crazy! And unreasonable! nt localroger Feb 2021 #2

Lol. That's an interesting interpretation. Squinch Feb 2021 #3

This is actually Biden's proposal which Sanders is on board with jorgevlorgan Feb 2021 #5

Does that mean he has caved to the establishment? Squinch Feb 2021 #9

No. That means that unlike the democrat Manchin, Bernie supports Joe Biden's agenda and realizes Autumn Feb 2021 #11

Gosh. That seems like incrementalism to me. I think it's fine, but in the past Squinch Feb 2021 #25

Yeah the "bros" have changed, they realize Joe is open to things changing. They respect a politician Autumn Feb 2021 #29

+1 betsuni Feb 2021 #52

Please stop it. All of us have to stay on the same page. Blue_true Feb 2021 #69

Yes. That's why most of us Democrats don't consider incrementalism to be a dirty word. Squinch Feb 2021 #70

Until we eliminate republicans as significant officeholders, Blue_true Feb 2021 #71

Most of us have never had a problem with that obvious fact. Squinch Feb 2021 #72

i like that Bernie's amenable to Biden's plan instead of being obstructionist to it, like the GOP onetexan Feb 2021 #27

Yes, hats off to Bernie. Autumn Feb 2021 #31

Jan 26th, 2021, and his 2019 bill: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #12

Thank you BarackTheVote Feb 2021 #32

Really? The legislation he's introduced in the past has had a five-year timeline too fishwax Feb 2021 #35

Does this make an ex-political revolutionary Sanders a middle of the road incrementalist? Amen! beastie boy Feb 2021 #4

No, it makes him a realist. nt babylonsister Feb 2021 #6

In the same sense it does all the politicians he derided as middle of the road incrementalists, no? beastie boy Feb 2021 #7

Funny how that works. Squinch Feb 2021 #10

Unlike middle of the road politicians Bernie recognizes what can happen in 2022 and 24 if things Autumn Feb 2021 #13

Let me see if I understand your point: beastie boy Feb 2021 #14

Yeah play it. Joe is not a middle of the road politician. And the agenda he is setting out there Autumn Feb 2021 #15

Joe used to be as middle of the road as they come when Bernie ran in the primaries. And worse. beastie boy Feb 2021 #16

Thank you, right there it is... "used to be" BOOM! There you go. nt Autumn Feb 2021 #17

My apologies. I will not attempt sarcasm again. beastie boy Feb 2021 #18

Sarcasm? No dude, you owned yourself. EOM. Autumn Feb 2021 #19

Like I said, I will refrain from using sarcasm when addressing you, since you don't seem to get the beastie boy Feb 2021 #20

Sanders proposed raising it to $15 *in steps over five years* in 2015 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #21

This shows he has the same goals, but the OP praises him for adopting a beastie boy Feb 2021 #22

The OP does no such thing. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #23

It was the legislators, not me, who were ignoring his proposal for 5 years. beastie boy Feb 2021 #26

"the distinction between proposals and achievements into a proper perspective for you." - No. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #28

So you don't get the distinction between proposals and achievements. Ok, it takes guts to admit your beastie boy Feb 2021 #46

"Do you call something Bernie's been saying for 5 years as an approach for achieving his goal?" Yes muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #48

Incrementalism/Third Way/neoliberal/centrist/elite/establishment/milquetoast betsuni Feb 2021 #56

You are totally right in your recollections. We were told R B Garr Feb 2021 #24

You are totally wrong in your assertion. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #30

Bernie never emphasized incrementalism. R B Garr Feb 2021 #33

You mean, apart from in the bills he sponsored? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #34

I recognize your invitation to get posts hidden, R B Garr Feb 2021 #39

I was thinking you'd be able to point to news articles, TV discussions, things like that muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #40

Were you here for the Bernie primaries when he ran R B Garr Feb 2021 #41

Odd - when I google that phrase, I get no results, from anyone muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #42

Oh dear. How strange that you can't google simple R B Garr Feb 2021 #43

You gave the quote incorrectly. So, no, it's not strange at all. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #44

So that was so confusing for you, too? An apostrophe, two R B Garr Feb 2021 #53

"another word that I typed incorrectly on my phone screen" - well, yes, that's how Google works muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #55

I actually left that for you to slobber over. I saw it when I looked again and figured you R B Garr Feb 2021 #58

The whole point is that Sanders has advocated a phased change in the minimum wage for 5 years muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #62

The fact is that you think people are stupid enough to R B Garr Feb 2021 #65

And, how laughable that you don't realize that the thread is lambasting Bernie R B Garr Feb 2021 #54

The context of the Sanders quote: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #57

Biden beat Bernie, so it's rather superficial to pick one topic from 2019 and pretend it R B Garr Feb 2021 #59

It was you who brought up that Sanders quote. I gave its context. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #63

You misrepresented what the 2016 thread was about, too, which R B Garr Feb 2021 #64

What a joke. You misrepresented this, as well. This quote is not from what you R B Garr Feb 2021 #73

I didn't "misrepresent" it at all. I pointed out where it came from. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #77

Wrong. You posted something entirely different and R B Garr Feb 2021 #78

No, I gave the one time Sanders gave the quote you used. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #79

Your petty personal sniping is only filling me with glee again R B Garr Feb 2021 #80

It's quite incredible that you, who are insisting this thread is about 2 past primaries muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #81

Oh, good luck with that. Calling people useless will R B Garr Feb 2021 #82

NYTimes: Bernie says "no" to Incrementalism, highlighting divide among Democrats R B Garr Feb 2021 #60

Bernie is "willing to accept incrementalism. He just doesn't want to talk about it." betsuni Feb 2021 #61

Exactly. It's just so basic to his entire campaign. R B Garr Feb 2021 #66

And that fifteen was the magic number, the only number: anything else wasn't progressive betsuni Feb 2021 #67

Yes! It's really pathetic that we have to pretend that 5 to 6 years of this nonsense R B Garr Feb 2021 #74

We were assured it was all about policy, when it was nothing but attacks on character. betsuni Feb 2021 #75

Perfectly stated, betsuni. Brings back the disgust at R B Garr Feb 2021 #76

Touche' Cha Feb 2021 #45

nah, this is pretty consistent with what he's advocated in the past fishwax Feb 2021 #36

This is consistent with legislation he has proposed in the past. Mariana Feb 2021 #50

+1 betsuni Feb 2021 #51

The D & R posse is still in full swing malaise Feb 2021 #37

By 2025, $15/hr will be very close to what businesses are DeminPennswoods Feb 2021 #38

Makes sense. Xolodno Feb 2021 #47

After the wage gets to $15 in 2025, it will be indexed muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #49

Florida voters approved a similar plan in November. Blue_true Feb 2021 #68