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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 02:39 PM Feb 2021

Forget Impeachment--Donald Trump Should Be Under Arrest [View all]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/forget-impeachment-donald-trump-should-be-under-arrest?ref=home


Forget Impeachment—Donald Trump Should Be Under Arrest
WHAT’S TAKING SO LONG?
The Senate needs to go about its obviously constitutional business. But I sure hope prosecutors in New York and Washington are going about theirs, too.
Dean Obeidallah
Updated Feb. 08, 2021 9:31AM ET / Published Feb. 07, 2021 8:40PM ET

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I encourage people to read the “Statement of Facts” portion of the House impeachment managers’ brief filed Tuesday that lays out more than just the grounds to convict Trump in the impeachment trial—it makes a compelling case to charge Trump with at least insurrection. While the House managers, headed by Rep. Jamie Raskin, do not cite the federal statute for this felony given that the impeachment trial is not criminal, they lay out the roadmap for prosecutors to build a case.

One of the most important points they make is that Trump’s misconduct is not solely about the words of his January 6 speech before the attack. Instead, they argue in powerful detail that Trump laid the groundwork for the insurrection over a period of months beginning with his repeated comments during the campaign that “the only way we’re going to lose this election is if this election is rigged.” Trump was priming his supporters to be on board with this concept if he lost the election.

From there, the House managers highlight Trump’s post-election lies about the election being “stolen” through his call for his most rabid supporters to gather in Washington, D.C.—not on any random day, but on the very day federal law mandated Congress meet to certify the election results.

The House managers’ brief leaves you with the sense that Trump radicalized some in his base —like ISIS does--with a non-stop drumbeat of lies and fiery rhetoric intended to incite them to the doorstep of violence. And finally, on Jan. 6, Trump pushed them through that door, activating them to use force to stop the certification.

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The impeachment trial this week is step one—but even if Trump is convicted, accountability for Trump’s crimes cannot simply be disqualifying him from running from office again. Accountability can only come if Trump is criminally charged and fully prosecuted. That’s the best hope we have at preventing Trump or any future president from engaging in the same dangerous and illegal conduct. In fact, today would be a great day to arrest Trump.
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That is definitely essential. He must be dealt with in court. BSdetect Feb 2021 #1
I find it quite ironic that the first lawmaker to mention criminal charges is Liz Cheney. panader0 Feb 2021 #2
She is indeed. A bipartisan support of prosecution would hurt the GOP as they try to Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #16
True. crickets Feb 2021 #18
I agree. 2naSalit Feb 2021 #27
Agree. And SDNY needs to move as well. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #39
I agree with this and it cannot come soon enough. n/t KarenS Feb 2021 #3
Would it be double jeopardy for him to be charged with these crimes after his trial? sboatcar Feb 2021 #4
No, Impeachment is political-not criminal. He could still be tried in court and should be. Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #15
Excellent, thanks for clearing that up sboatcar Feb 2021 #17
I wasn't sure and asked someone here and then even looked it up...it is a legitimate concern. Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #22
The Impeachment Trial is NOT a Criminal Trial. Tommymac Feb 2021 #46
I agree with you nt. OLDMDDEM Feb 2021 #5
LOCK. HIM. UP! berksdem Feb 2021 #6
You got that right PuppyBismark Feb 2021 #7
Can't pardon himself, or anybody, now. Pres. Bidden would have to do that. fwvinson Feb 2021 #41
Pendejo45 signed the double-secret probation pardons before he left office for ... aggiesal Feb 2021 #49
Nonsense. former9thward Feb 2021 #51
Are you saying that you don't believe pardons have been granted that have not been disclosed? spooky3 Feb 2021 #55
There was nothing secret about the Trump White House former9thward Feb 2021 #58
You don't seem to get a joke, when it is given. ... aggiesal Feb 2021 #56
Criminal prosecution is much more important than the senate trial. Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #8
He belongs behind bars...how are you! Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #10
Fine thanks- looking forward to a DJT prosecution! Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #14
I am too. Stay safe Fiendish Thingy Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #23
This may be why certain witnesses are not called...looks like Trump met with the leaders of Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #9
I completely agree pandr32 Feb 2021 #11
YEP. We all watched it. We are all prime witnesses. lindysalsagal Feb 2021 #12
I heartily agree. Bastards misrepresenting Traitor !'s.s heinous crime as mere politics librechik Feb 2021 #13
Give it time. I'm sure he'll be charged criminally, sooner or later lettucebe Feb 2021 #19
Seems to me that someone who plotted, encouraged and staged a coup BarbD Feb 2021 #20
I couldn't agree more world wide wally Feb 2021 #21
New York State Attorney General Letitia James will prosecute to the fullest..... AND... Stuart G Feb 2021 #24
AG James, yes. But I thought I heard that Vance... electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #28
.I honestly don't know..We will all see. Stuart G Feb 2021 #30
So why haven't they? former9thward Feb 2021 #53
"I want to see him in prison." Nancy Pelosi June 2019 CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #25
If Nancy Pelosi said that, she will do everything to make prison happen for Donald Trump!!! Stuart G Feb 2021 #31
Yup! 2naSalit Feb 2021 #32
I hope the DOJ will have access to and will review all the GJ material in the Mueller probe. Lock him up. Feb 2021 #37
I wanted to read this article but members only. Thanks for snippet. Jetheels Feb 2021 #26
Before and during the insurrection, he ordered the National Guard to stay away. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #29
That and the strategy meeting the night before. ...nt 2naSalit Feb 2021 #33
Yup - I wonder if there's any way to learn what happened there. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #34
I can't help it, but... 2naSalit Feb 2021 #35
Ummmm . . . Yes and No . . . OneBlueSky Feb 2021 #36
Sure works for me! calimary Feb 2021 #38
Sure would be nice to know if tRUMP filed "secret pardons" and for whom. NT SayItLoud Feb 2021 #40
That "pre-priming" of his base with early, early mentions of a rigged election. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #42
No criminal conviction and no prison sentence soldierant Feb 2021 #43
gotta bring game as hard as possible on all fronts - make 'em defend the indefensible in bringthePaine Feb 2021 #44
I believe the evidence will show it is a matter for the courts and would have been bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #45
I agree Rebl2 Feb 2021 #47
He definitely has blood on his hands. Lunabell Feb 2021 #48
Now we're talkin'! Blue Owl Feb 2021 #50
Exactly! Trump isn't in office anymore, if he's broken laws, hughee99 Feb 2021 #52
Imprisonment is almost too good for him. How about sentenced to hard labor. triron Feb 2021 #54
Either way, he'd still need a real trial. Nt hughee99 Feb 2021 #57
I generally oppose capital punishment, but it would be good for America to hang Trump for treason. tclambert Feb 2021 #59
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