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Hekate

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159. I am a Big Fan of women having access to the full range of women's necessary medical care ...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:28 PM
Feb 2021

You may not be a big fan of men having access to prostate exams, but it is part of men’s medical care. You may not be a big fan of prostatectomies, but on occasion, they are necessary. You may not be a big fan of vasectomies, but some men find them necessary.

Don’t judge human beings’ private medical decisions, especially about their reproductive parts.

I spent too much of my life parsing the abortion issue, trying to allow for the “sincerity” of abortion foes. Several years ago I finally, finally realized it was a hopeless endeavor. The RW in particular cares nothing about my level of sincerity, nor do they care about my or any woman's life or health. If they did care they would not be trying to outlaw all forms of contraception. If they did care they would ensure that all children would be fed, housed, and schooled, instead of abandoning them to hunger, poverty, and ignorance.

I understand your inner struggle with the word and concept of abortion. But that uncertainty is the wedge the RW anti-choice fanatics uses against us. I am over 70 and I decided to not even allow that any more. To hell with the RW, and I mean that. To hell with them.

Instead, what I hold to is: I believe women should have full & affordable access to the full range of women’s necessary medical care. Full stop.

No ONe Is A Fan Of Abortion Me. Feb 2021 #1
Thank you AmyStrange Feb 2021 #2
That's right! It's a choice between an undesirable birth and an undesirable procedure. Beakybird Feb 2021 #4
I am a fan of abortion. It does a great job of ending an unwanted pregnancy, as well WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #6
This is an embarrassing thread on a Democratic forum. n/t demmiblue Feb 2021 #42
I'm fine with a Big Tent but not everything needs to be said with a full voice. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #51
Exactly uppityperson Feb 2021 #57
100% agree OriginalGeek Feb 2021 #182
I'm pro abortion in the sense that if a woman wants one, she should be able to get one. GreenEyedLefty Feb 2021 #190
Exactly ... mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #12
Exactly Me. Feb 2021 #93
"anti-Sex-in-general", I've believed this for the longest they don't like sex cause they're not good uponit7771 Feb 2021 #95
Someone having an abortion means that they got laid ... mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #116
I think that's true gratuitous Feb 2021 #14
As I Said...This Is A Matter That Is Generally An Anguished ONe Me. Feb 2021 #96
For many people, it is *not* an "anguished" decision, and using that language promotes the WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #101
I Disagree Me. Feb 2021 #106
The data doesn't, but okay. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #112
Pro Choice Is Not Pro Abortion Me. Feb 2021 #119
No, it's data about how people feel before and after getting abortions. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #122
Me too GreenEyedLefty Feb 2021 #191
I get so tired of being told how women must feel. Mariana Feb 2021 #120
That's true and... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #148
Some might treestar Feb 2021 #172
Some do and some don't, depending on the woman and her particular situation. Mariana Feb 2021 #173
No one is a fan of heart surgery... SidDithers Feb 2021 #74
Quite Me. Feb 2021 #85
Speak for yourself. nt JanMichael Feb 2021 #132
Financial and educational support, day care and health care don't make a person stop being pregnant. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #3
That wasn't my point... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #7
No Republican wants to outlaw abortion entirely, for all reasons. They just want to make WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #10
Agreed AmyStrange Feb 2021 #19
Some do. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #31
Fair. Legislators know it's a non-starter, though -- even if they introduce the bill, they know it's WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #55
They need it as a perpertual wedge issue... TwilightZone Feb 2021 #67
I would not agree that none want it completely illegal MoonlitKnight Feb 2021 #56
Well said. SharonClark Feb 2021 #15
If they were REALLY against abortion, safeinOhio Feb 2021 #5
Thank you AmyStrange Feb 2021 #8
Are you kidding. If they outlaw abortion birth control is next on their agenda. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #13
AND...... MyOwnPeace Feb 2021 #20
+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #25
I saw a gleeful post supporting this bullshit musette_sf Feb 2021 #49
+1 treestar Feb 2021 #186
MURDER (Noun): brooklynite Feb 2021 #9
You're right, legally it's not murder. AmyStrange Feb 2021 #22
I don't think you really consider it to be murder in any sense. Mariana Feb 2021 #52
You're right... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #158
When it was against the law, abortion was a separate crime treestar Feb 2021 #184
Abortion is not murder. Ptah Feb 2021 #11
THIS. roamer65 Feb 2021 #16
Thank you! Lars39 Feb 2021 #21
It is not murder and it is not illegal. WestLosAngelesGal Feb 2021 #66
That's correct. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2021 #167
No reasonable person is a FAN of abortion DFW Feb 2021 #17
As I said above, I am a fan of abortion. It does a great job of stopping an unwanted pregnancy, as WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #28
That is a set of specific cases, not the procedure in general. DFW Feb 2021 #39
Neither is an appendectomy, but people who need them tend to be fans of the procedure. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #45
No one would forbid anyone from getting an appendectomy. DFW Feb 2021 #61
Being a fan of something doesn't mean I think it's fun or that it feels good. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #72
"None of them thinks it would be a fun thing to do on a free weekend." Mariana Feb 2021 #59
Depends on the treatment DFW Feb 2021 #69
"None of them thinks it would be a fun thing to do on a free weekend" Me. Feb 2021 #104
Nobody can legally choose murder lame54 Feb 2021 #18
Forced birthing indentured servitude poli-junkie Feb 2021 #23
Spot on! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #81
Thank goodness nobody is having recreational abortions gollygee Feb 2021 #24
Abortion is NOT murder. Murder is the "unlawful killing of a human being". 11 Bravo Feb 2021 #26
I'm not a fan, either Deuxcents Feb 2021 #27
+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 4 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #30
Reposting this - Mormon mother of six comments on abortion jmbar2 Feb 2021 #29
Well said! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #33
Why give right wingers cover by using their language (murder)? Lars39 Feb 2021 #32
I'm not using their language AmyStrange Feb 2021 #44
And that's what right wingers type and say, too. Lars39 Feb 2021 #47
You're right AmyStrange Feb 2021 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author johnp3907 Feb 2021 #111
Abortion is not murder. Ptah Feb 2021 #115
What specifically leads you to allege the medical procedure is murder? LanternWaste Feb 2021 #125
Then it's murder if you have not volunteered to donate myccrider Feb 2021 #176
As you are a man, your opinion on this subject is completely irrelevant. Offensive as it may be. Squinch Feb 2021 #179
You believe a woman should be able to choose to commit murder? Mariana Feb 2021 #34
It doesn't make any sense to me either, but... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #35
If your posts don't make sense to you maybe SharonClark Feb 2021 #75
Posting them helps me sort them out AmyStrange Feb 2021 #76
Get a white board and put it in your kitchen ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #84
Outside input is what I need. AmyStrange Feb 2021 #89
You left in the part about you think it is murder. Ptah Feb 2021 #139
That's how I felt when I made that post AmyStrange Feb 2021 #143
you can differentiate between the two treestar Feb 2021 #185
I don't anyone who is a Fan of Abortion msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #36
You put it very well AmyStrange Feb 2021 #38
Abortion Fan, checking in. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #46
interesting to meet you. msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #63
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author gldstwmn Feb 2021 #124
Well, the OP considers you a murderer Mariana Feb 2021 #68
That's her problem and not mine. msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #88
It's not a her. Mr. strange is a man. A very entitled one, as we can see. Squinch Feb 2021 #180
I see. Posing as a woman advocating Patriarchal Supremacy over Women's Life Choices msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #181
Yep. Exactly. Squinch Feb 2021 #183
I appreciate being informed. msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #187
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense VA_Jill Feb 2021 #133
The dudes on this thread, though. demmiblue Feb 2021 #37
I think... TwilightZone Feb 2021 #54
I used to be personally against it as well. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #40
Thank you for the personal account... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #50
I've never shared it before. Too personal and painful GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #70
Maybe change the verbiage in your OP? GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #79
What word should I use? AmyStrange Feb 2021 #86
I was not hurt, but thanks for asking. Had I been my post would have read much differently! GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #90
I took out the murder part AmyStrange Feb 2021 #92
Thank you. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #110
I don't agree that it is murder. Lunabell Feb 2021 #41
legally it's not AmyStrange Feb 2021 #53
Is abortion murder? Ptah Feb 2021 #91
I took out the murder part, but... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #97
I think you're making excuses for yourself and your position. LanternWaste Feb 2021 #142
I agree AmyStrange Feb 2021 #144
Just remember this safeinOhio Feb 2021 #43
Wow! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #60
It's not murder. (n/t) Iggo Feb 2021 #48
How about esophagogastroduodenoscopy? Closed reduction percutaneous pinning of a femoral neck fx? SMC22307 Feb 2021 #58
I'm not a fan of having my teeth cleaned or a tooth pulled either... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #64
Yikes. You don't like having your teeth cleaned? SMC22307 Feb 2021 #78
or my tooth pulled... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author gldstwmn Feb 2021 #136
I took out the murder part AmyStrange Feb 2021 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author gldstwmn Feb 2021 #141
How is abortion murder? uppityperson Feb 2021 #62
Legally it's not AmyStrange Feb 2021 #98
Also, who fucking recs this garbage?! n/t demmiblue Feb 2021 #65
People who want to find this train wreck again? Lars39 Feb 2021 #71
Good point. It certainly is a train wreck. n/t demmiblue Feb 2021 #80
+1/2 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #105
+1/3 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #103
Thank you. cwydro Feb 2021 #82
+1/4 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #102
Not being a fan of something isn't a reason to conclude that it's murder. meadowlander Feb 2021 #73
I agree, and... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author gldstwmn Feb 2021 #140
I'm reading through your responses here, and you keep saying you have a weird mind... MerryBlooms Feb 2021 #165
I'm a murderer several times over. ismnotwasm Feb 2021 #87
I took out that part... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #113
S'alright ismnotwasm Feb 2021 #128
Is this another post I'm going to see an apology for in the morning? -nt Piasladic Feb 2021 #99
Nope... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #108
I had a nice back and forth earlier in the thread just now GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #117
Thank you Piasladic Feb 2021 #121
I have been in her place earlier in my life. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #126
It's a medical procedure. People aren't "fans" of medical procedures, but they're glad they exist gollygee Feb 2021 #107
Absolutely correct AmyStrange Feb 2021 #109
I hate the imputation that pro choice is pro abortion. rsdsharp Feb 2021 #114
+100000000000000000000000000000000 x infinity AmyStrange Feb 2021 #118
This thread is fire. BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #123
Agreed AmyStrange Feb 2021 #127
My favorite BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #129
Heh heh heh AmyStrange Feb 2021 #131
"PC Police"? SharonClark Feb 2021 #134
Bazinga! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #135
Just Stop Piasladic Feb 2021 #149
I guess it depends on your perspective AmyStrange Feb 2021 #152
You are definitely going to wake up regretful. -nt Piasladic Feb 2021 #154
I dig how you perceive disagreement with an unsupported position as "pc police..." LanternWaste Feb 2021 #147
Absolutely AmyStrange Feb 2021 #150
It makes DU look stupid n/t leftstreet Feb 2021 #145
For some reason... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #146
lol leftstreet Feb 2021 #151
You might be right BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #156
You're both right AmyStrange Feb 2021 #168
I wish the term "fan" hadn't been applied to a medical procedure. kskiska Feb 2021 #130
It feeds the RW bullshit idea that women have abortions for fun. nt. Mariana Feb 2021 #137
And pushing back on "fan" feeds the RW bullshit idea that every abortion is a difficult, sorrowful, WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #162
Actually it's mostly people on the left who insist that every abortion Mariana Feb 2021 #166
Right Me. Feb 2021 #157
All that matters is does the woman want to give birth. twin_ghost Feb 2021 #153
Welcome to DU and you're right... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #155
I am a Big Fan of women having access to the full range of women's necessary medical care ... Hekate Feb 2021 #159
To hell with the RW!!! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #160
If they did more to help women there would be fewer abortions. pandr32 Feb 2021 #161
Well said AmyStrange Feb 2021 #163
You are welcome! pandr32 Feb 2021 #164
No reasonable person would be a fan of abortion mvd Feb 2021 #169
There's someone on this thread who IS a big fan. AmyStrange Feb 2021 #170
Well, I disagree with that poster's viewpoint mvd Feb 2021 #171
Abortion is not murder, it's the termination of a pregnancy. aikoaiko Feb 2021 #174
I took the murder part out of the OP yesterday... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #175
I understand. I just wanted to present to you... aikoaiko Feb 2021 #188
... demmiblue Feb 2021 #177
Trumpets are blaring with a bit of drums! ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #178
Thank you. BigDemVoter Feb 2021 #189
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