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luvs2sing

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37. Exactly.

Sat Feb 20, 2021, 01:20 PM

Feb 2021

I have friends who love opera and a couple who sing opera. I have great respect for the talent and insanely hard work it takes to make it in that world. I want to like it. I’ve tried to like it. Sadly, except for the young son of a friend, an amazing baritone, it always feels emotionally overwrought and makes me nervous. That’s my problem, not opera’s.

Anyone who dismisses an art form as crap is showing their ignorance, no matter how “educated” they might be.

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There is a racial element to those who go out of their way to denigrate rap music. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 OP

I'm sure sometimes/in some people's case, but I don't think 'always' mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #1

I agree. Like your Mom, I hate metal music. NNadir Feb 2021 #7

As I said there's a lot of genres I'm not fond of... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #9

Yep. I can appreciate the artform and form of expression that it is. I just can't listen to it-- catbyte Feb 2021 #2

My Mom hated it when I started listening to modern Jazz in my 20s. maxsolomon Feb 2021 #6

Cultural tribalism zaj Feb 2021 #3

Nope, some people hate rap, country, classical, metal.... USALiberal Feb 2021 #4

You are right, I am white and to me rap is just Butterflylady Feb 2021 #10

There are Country Denigraters, Pop Denigraters, Jazz Denigraters. maxsolomon Feb 2021 #5

I'm an old head DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #8

Exactly. I appreciate the provocation, but at 57, it's not for me. maxsolomon Feb 2021 #16

WAP didn't do it for me. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #21

Disco Denigrators eShirl Feb 2021 #24

homophobia was a big part of the disco hate. mopinko Feb 2021 #41

that was mentioned in the HBO Bee Gees doc maxsolomon Feb 2021 #54

Rap started becoming prevalent on the radio when I was about 23. luvs2sing Feb 2021 #11

It's not disliking it. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #12

Yeah, I get that. luvs2sing Feb 2021 #14

I had an an office mate who was an adjunct history professor DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #19

Exactly. luvs2sing Feb 2021 #37

That's the point. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #59

So is someone making an ostentatious display of their dislike Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #67

I have seen t-shirts and graffiti that says "rap is crap." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #69

I love Nascar! Think because I learned all Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #73

"What track?" DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #76

You are probably right. I am just hoping like hell that Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #84

I went to a few operas because some friends were in them Retrograde Feb 2021 #82

Something about your friend's group.. luvs2sing Feb 2021 #85

the reaction to art is personal - neither wrong or right NRaleighLiberal Feb 2021 #13

Right. The OP's absolutism is just plain wrong. Intolerance of Hortensis Feb 2021 #25

Do you go out our way to lambaste rap or those who like it? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #31

Right. Never have, never will. But then I wasn't in training Hortensis Feb 2021 #65

Is Bob Dylan Hip-Hop's Godfather? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #72

Okay, you brought up a good one. I remember doing the Hortensis Feb 2021 #75

I actually prefer Diamonds And Rust but here's rap's reach. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #77

Lol, thanks. She was one of my oldies, and I do like her "reach." Hortensis Feb 2021 #83

There is. ismnotwasm Feb 2021 #15

No, some of us appreciate what melody does for music. Arthur_Frain Feb 2021 #17

Yeah. No. SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #32

Disagree, respectfully. Arthur_Frain Feb 2021 #92

Well I could care leas if you *like* rap. SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #95

I'm confused. "unless it's Ted Nugent or Kid Rock." LakeArenal Feb 2021 #18

I hate Nugent and Kid Rock because one is a racist and both are Trumplicans. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #20

I'm not sure why you threw them in then if it's not about the music. LakeArenal Feb 2021 #22

Because their transgressions imo raises my ire. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #28

But I really dislike both. I think Voight isnt a good actor at all. LakeArenal Feb 2021 #46

You got me to learn something about myself DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #56

Thanks for keeping it a discussion and not an attack. LakeArenal Feb 2021 #61

Nugent isn't a bad guitarist but I hate his politics so much I won't listen to him. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #63

I can separate the music from the artist. WarGamer Feb 2021 #44

When I think of SoCal I think of the Laurel Canyon scene DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #55

I grew up near the San Fernando Valley in the 70's-80's... WarGamer Feb 2021 #57

I grew up in Central Florida but live in Woodland Hills now. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #60

Wish you could have seen the Valley in the 70's... WarGamer Feb 2021 #64

What high school did you go to? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #66

Glendale HS... still keep a home base in Pasadena. WarGamer Feb 2021 #68

That's the other side of the Valley. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #70

I'm sure that's true for some people, but others have different reasons for their outspoken dislike. dawg Feb 2021 #23

As a big music fan, I can understand mvd Feb 2021 #45

I detest country music with the heat of a thousand suns BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #26

Don't forget Kris Kristofferson or Emmylou Harris DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #29

I like country mvd Feb 2021 #49

My favorite country songs DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #62

Bo Burnham nailed modern "stadium" country Sympthsical Feb 2021 #53

It is the total outlook nam78_two Feb 2021 #27

+1,000 malaise Feb 2021 #30

K&R for visibility. rogue emissary Feb 2021 #33

Hard to disagree. Politicub Feb 2021 #34

It's rap music fans' ostentatious display of their LIKE for it. Jeebo Feb 2021 #35

This Delarage Feb 2021 #50

I'll take the Temptations any day over rap "music." At best it's poetry IMO. Vinca Feb 2021 #36

I don't denigrate it treestar Feb 2021 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author GreenEyedLefty Feb 2021 #39

Being a Trump Tool Delarage Feb 2021 #47

Not in my head... WarGamer Feb 2021 #40

Cube flirted with anti-semitism but disavowed it. I hope he keeps disavowing it. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #74

I agree. I don't listen to the genre, but some rappers are definitely talented mvd Feb 2021 #42

Not that it matters much, but my favorite rap piece was by an old white Jewish guy 40 years ago DFW Feb 2021 #43

I like most of the original rap and the OG rappers. cwydro Feb 2021 #48

Really depends on what you're criticizing Sympthsical Feb 2021 #51

Homophobia and misogyny aren't intrinsic to anybody's culture. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #81

There is more talent.... quickesst Feb 2021 #52

"I made the Yankee hat more famous than a Yankee can." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #80

okay.... quickesst Feb 2021 #90

And that racial element is on display in this thread. johnp3907 Feb 2021 #58

The point is lost on some. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #86

Yeah, your point was totally clear. johnp3907 Feb 2021 #87

There hasn't been one person on here that has said anything to warrant the accusation LakeArenal Feb 2021 #89

Sorry but that is 100% unwarranted and ridiculous sorry. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #93

I work with Sturgeon's Law - "Ninety percent of everything is crap." csziggy Feb 2021 #71

I remember similar arguments in the 80s about disco Retrograde Feb 2021 #78

I think Jagger called an album two good songs, surrounded by crap. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #79

"Making an ostentatious display of your dislike" brooklynite Feb 2021 #88

It's the same thing as criticizing Israel Azathoth Feb 2021 #91

On another board DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #94