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12. Sanders is not in a position to 'magically get it thru', that is nonsensical, and false scapegoating

Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:59 PM

Feb 2021

Name me one time Sanders single-handedly stopped an Obama initiative that was sailing through before the evil Bern put his mighty foot down and stopped it. In case you missed it, the last time we had control, before January 2021, of the the POTUS, the House, and the Senate was the lame duck session ending in December 2010. You are trying to conflate advocacy for political stances with systemic blockage of bills.

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Bernie live on MSNBC: no chance we get a wage raise (even 11) unless it is through reconciliation [View all] Celerity Feb 2021 OP

sinema ... manchin Fullduplexxx Feb 2021 #1

In a standalone bill, we need 60 votes to end the filibuster Celerity Feb 2021 #3

If we don't kill the filibuster we're screwed. onecaliberal Feb 2021 #2

Screwed it is then, as Manchin, Sinema, and Feinstein (and maybe more) will not vote to end it Celerity Feb 2021 #4

There are things short of ending it than they might go along with dsc Feb 2021 #5

We need to get to work on our home turf and elect people onecaliberal Feb 2021 #6

So he has failed? And Sanders has always made it the Democrats failure in same situation. LizBeth Feb 2021 #7

no, this is not Bernie as 'outside any sort of mainstream Dem policy' Bernie. This is Bernie Celerity Feb 2021 #8

This is the same ole Sanders that have brutally gone after Democratic Leaders in exactly the same LizBeth Feb 2021 #9

Your framing on this is false. This issue has nothing to do with Sanders trying to push his own Celerity Feb 2021 #10

He can't blame Dems on this one because he is the one in position that is suppose to magically LizBeth Feb 2021 #11

Sanders is not in a position to 'magically get it thru', that is nonsensical, and false scapegoating Celerity Feb 2021 #12

Nor were the Democratic Leqaders and Sanders still chose to blame them. We Democrats are better than LizBeth Feb 2021 #13

You are just trying to take shots at Sanders, and to ludicrously blame him for this mess. Celerity Feb 2021 #14

I don't blame him for the mess. Realty says otherwise. LizBeth Feb 2021 #15

Ridiculous, the 'reality' of this shows Sanders is NOT the blockage, no matter much you try and Celerity Feb 2021 #17

Nor are the Democrats when in the same situation, it doesn't stop Sanders going after them. LizBeth Feb 2021 #18

Name the 'same situation' you keep talking about, and remember, it has to be only in the period Celerity Feb 2021 #19

Check out debates in two primaries alone. LizBeth Feb 2021 #20

between January 20th, 2009 (when Obama was sworn in) and December 2010 ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #22

So? lol. LizBeth Feb 2021 #23

You didn't answer their question ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #24

Again, so? LizBeth Feb 2021 #25

Ahh fishing is a lovely hobby don't you think? ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #28

Complete non sequitur. Primary debates are in no way comparable to the actual blocking of bills and Celerity Feb 2021 #26

You are missing the point of my post and not gonna be windowed into an argument I am not willing LizBeth Feb 2021 #27

Oh, I so do get your 'point'. nt Celerity Feb 2021 #29

You are certainly ignoring my point and wanting a different conversation. LizBeth Feb 2021 #30

I am ignoring nothing, you were the one who tried to take the entire thread off into the weeds Celerity Feb 2021 #31

lol LizBeth Feb 2021 #33

Wait what didn't you ignore their point a few posts back? ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #32

So? LizBeth Feb 2021 #34

Thanks for your deep insight Liz ChubbyStar Feb 2021 #35

Ahhhh. Very cool. Thanks. LizBeth Feb 2021 #36

No, Sanders can't now, and he clearly sees that Hortensis Feb 2021 #16

This lol. Exactly. Would be nice if it was recognized for the future but not looking like it will LizBeth Feb 2021 #21