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niyad

(134,179 posts) Sun Feb 28, 2021, 12:18 PM Feb 2021

Questions about the "sovereign citizen" movement and "American state national" vs citizen. [View all]

A woman whom I have known for years, who seems to believe in some unusual things (the NESERA nonsense comes to mind) believes that she can opt out of citizenship, declare herself a state national, and not be subject to US law, even though living here. She got a ticket for expired plates the other day, and signed with "all rights reserved without prejudice" saying that will protect her. The courts are not legal, common law, constitution, etc. All this predates the qanon, but. .

Does anybody have any idea what all this is even about? I worry for her, and how much trouble .i think she is setting herself up for. Do I have cause to be worried?

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Questions about the "sovereign citizen" movement and "American state national" vs citizen. [View all] niyad Feb 2021 OP

A few nights in jail or big fines will fix that - maybe jpak Feb 2021 #1

It's just empty-headed libertarianism taken to its empty-headed Aristus Feb 2021 #2

✔️ blm Feb 2021 #28

In a nutshell Javaman Feb 2021 #3

I don't know about the rest of them, but this woman has worked hard all her life, has worked niyad Feb 2021 #6

The Sovereign Citizen movement is often seen as more dangerous as even neo-Nazi movements WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #4

That first line is really disturbing. Looks like I have cause to worry. niyad Feb 2021 #7

How sad... mwmisses4289 Feb 2021 #5

The SLPC has good information on the Sovereign Citizens Movement ADK Feb 2021 #8

Thank you. That was the kind of information ?I was hoping to find. niyad Feb 2021 #13

Saw it in the nineties. Some are serious about it. Others support it because they Baitball Blogger Feb 2021 #9

She is not a scammer. She seriously believes the bs. niyad Feb 2021 #14

This is what serious sovereigntist did in the nineties: Baitball Blogger Feb 2021 #18

It's teh basis for various scams, some against the government, some against the gullible muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #10

I know that she would never scam anyone, and she is a committed peace activist. But she niyad Feb 2021 #17

It sounds like she's willing to break the law for trivial gain, though, muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #19

Thank you for the clarity of that last sentence. niyad Feb 2021 #21

She does have family, who might step,in if it gets worse. All she has is social security, no other niyad Feb 2021 #20

This anti democracy movement has swept in all kinds of conspiracy nuts tulipsandroses Feb 2021 #11

Yes, "the masses are being brain washed." And many are incredibly gullible and ignorant. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2021 #12

Having known many wannabes, I agree taxi Feb 2021 #27

That site froze my computer twice. niyad Feb 2021 #32

Thank you. I edited above. taxi Feb 2021 #33

Thank you. niyad Feb 2021 #37

I have known someone like this for a few years in the past. IMO, she is more than likely walkingman Feb 2021 #15

I am afraid that she is fairly far down it, and falling rapidly. niyad Feb 2021 #22

There's a tax attorney in S.C. SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #16

YouTube is filled with videos about sovereign citizens trying to talk Politicub Feb 2021 #23

Should I wait to view those videos until it is late enough to drink? It was bad enough just reading niyad Feb 2021 #25

Yes. those can be quite entertaining treestar Feb 2021 #35

You can always ask her informative questions: struggle4progress Feb 2021 #24

Those are most informative. My first response is that she would answer "of course not". But I have n niyad Feb 2021 #26

You could focus on automobile issues: struggle4progress Feb 2021 #36

Here's a good break down on it, with history and references: TroubleMan Feb 2021 #29

Thank you. That was most informative. niyad Feb 2021 #34

Many have tried that. None have succeeded. MineralMan Feb 2021 #30

The Sovereign Citizen movement is filled with dangerous people UpInArms Feb 2021 #31