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51. Again I'm not disputing that

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 04:34 PM

Mar 2021

My point is and has always been that Hillary Clinton could not have campaigned for Gillibrand for Senate as was initially claimed. And I'm taking the words 'campaigned for' at face value, not as something that suddenly means something else. (BTW Even behind the scenes campaigning is illegal for Cabinet Secretaries.)

And again I do understand the point of injecting Gillibrand in this thread. It has nothing to do with De Blasio and Cuomo who were never allies and have always been hostile to each other so there is no analogy to the Gillibrand/Clinton situation.

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De Blasio's payback: New York mayor unloads on wounded Cuomo [View all] Klaralven Mar 2021 OP

No matter what it's not a good look for DeBlasio Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #1

DeBlasio is almost as unpopular as Cuomo redstateblues Mar 2021 #4

DeBlasio is actually more unpopular than Cuomo JI7 Mar 2021 #6

Definitely. Someone told me they think he's behind this. Arguable, but I wouldn't put it past him. ancianita Mar 2021 #70

Who stands to gain from getting rid of Cuomo. Nixie Mar 2021 #2

and our great old gal Gillibrand is all over it demtenjeep Mar 2021 #3

Gillibrand and Schumer, like many others, have called for an investigation Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #7

The thing about Gillibrand that people are forgetting, Nixie Mar 2021 #10

She couldn't have campaigned with Hillary Clinton Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #12

Look up Gillibrand and Hillary not on speaking terms. Nixie Mar 2021 #13

What help? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #14

I'm talking about Gillibrand and her comments about Nixie Mar 2021 #15

Hillary campaigned for her in her first house race. nt BlueLucy Mar 2021 #50

True Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #52

They probably meant house. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #54

Thank you for your common sense response. Yes, I do remember Bill and Hillary Nixie Mar 2021 #142

And I'm just pointing out that that Hillary Clinton Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #16

Actually, what you're doing is going off on an unnecessary direction that Nixie Mar 2021 #17

I'm just pointing out facts Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #18

Someone brought up Gillibrand and I responded. It's also a fact what Gillibrand said about Nixie Mar 2021 #19

Sure Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #20

It is a fact that Hillary's husband did. That's what the post was about. Not a tangent Nixie Mar 2021 #21

Hillary had no power to object to Gillibrand Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #22

Another tangent that has nothing to do with Gillibrand's comments about Nixie Mar 2021 #23

And Gillibrand's comments about Clinton Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #24

Except that now you're pretending this isn't about politicians being forced to resign Nixie Mar 2021 #25

Yes someone brought up Gillibrand Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #26

That's not what the poster said, either. Another unnecessary tangent. Nixie Mar 2021 #27

Bringing up Gillibrand was an unnecessary tangent Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #28

More deliberate obtuseness. de Blasio is a New York politician. Gillibrand is a New York Nixie Mar 2021 #29

Gillibrand/Clinton is a tangent Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #31

It's okay to admit that you don't understand the poster's reference to Gillibrand. Nixie Mar 2021 #32

I understood it Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #33

Washington Post: Why Kirsten Gillibrand's bold statement that Bill Clinton should've resigned is a Nixie Mar 2021 #34

No I was pointing out a factual error Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #35

It is factually correct what Gillibrand said about Bill Clinton resigning Nixie Mar 2021 #36

Never disputed what Gillibrand said Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #37

The Clinton donors are the same that Gillibrand used. Gillibrand needed their help Nixie Mar 2021 #38

They do have nothing to do with Cuomo Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #39

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #42

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #43

Maybe so Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #45

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #46

Again maybe she did Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #47

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #48

Again I'm not disputing that Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #51

Nothing you are hung up on means a thing about my point. It's just empty sidebars. Nixie Mar 2021 #56

Your original post said Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #58

Nothing you are saying changes my point. The Clinton's Nixie Mar 2021 #59

Your point is factually inaccurate Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #61

Nothing you are saying changes my point. Nixie Mar 2021 #62

Which still has nothing to do with Cuomo or de Blasio Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #64

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #66

Donors, advisers and operatives Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #69

Nothing you are saying changes my point. Nixie Mar 2021 #71

Your point was factually incorrect Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #74

Here is Gillibrand using the Clinton brand to help get herself elected. Your sidebar Nixie Mar 2021 #75

And The NY Times assessment clearly states Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #78

The Clintons' helped Gillibrand get elected. It's not a comment about what bus Nixie Mar 2021 #80

Not a useless sidebar Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #83

I'll stick with the NYTimes "simple facts" which prove that they understand that Nixie Mar 2021 #84

And The NY Times simple facts state Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #85

Nothing you say changes my point. It's a total sidebar. Nixie Mar 2021 #86

And your point is a total sidebar Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #87

Here's the NYTimes understanding the help Gillibrand got from the Clintons' Nixie Mar 2021 #89

And the Times clearly stated Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #92

I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment of how much the Nixie Mar 2021 #96

And the Times assessment stated Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #97

Hillary Clinton helping Gillibrand campaign... Nixie Mar 2021 #49

People with ties to Clinton Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #53

You really have no point since what you're hung up about doesn't change Nixie Mar 2021 #55

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #57

Nothing you say changes my point. The Clintons' Nixie Mar 2021 #60

I'm just correcting a false statement Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #63

The Clinton's helped Gillibrand get elected. Your focus on a couple words Nixie Mar 2021 #65

Bill Clinton did one fundraiser Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #67

Here's the Clintons' helping Gillibrand from the NYTimes Nixie Mar 2021 #68

Again they refer to donors, operatives and advisers Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #72

Here's Gillibrand using the Clinton brand to help get herself elected. Nixie Mar 2021 #73

Reposting the same article over and over Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #76

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #77

Donors Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #79

The longest and most didactic subthread I've ever seen Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #81

Oh yeah, I've seen this for days. Which proves my point, as well. This really isn't Nixie Mar 2021 #82

😂 lol Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #88

Not what the article says Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #90

lol, I love your backtracking. I'll stick with the NYTimes assessment of Nixie Mar 2021 #91

No backtracking Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #93

That has nothing to do with my point. Nixie Mar 2021 #95

And the article doesn't say that Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #98

Gillibrand needed Hillary's donors to help win Hillary's senate seat. Nixie Mar 2021 #99

Donors, yes Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #101

Day Two: The point was Gillibrand's 2017 comments about Bill Clinton. That was the point, Nixie Mar 2021 #104

You original claim was false Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #107

The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons Nixie Mar 2021 #109

Sure but Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #111

The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons Nixie Mar 2021 #113

But this statement is not true Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #115

The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons Nixie Mar 2021 #116

No I'm hung up on accuracy Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #119

No, you're hung up on a rabbit hole. The entire article shows exactly what Nixie Mar 2021 #120

No my point is that this claim is false Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #122

Your claim is a rather silly rabbit hole. We know Hillary didn't quit her job to Nixie Mar 2021 #124

So you admit that this claim is false Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #126

lol, that sentence changes nothing from the point I made. Of course I read Nixie Mar 2021 #127

This is your original post Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #129

lol, my original comment was to another poster, demtemjeep. That simple comment was understood Nixie Mar 2021 #132

My point is accuracy Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #134

Nothing you post changes what my point was, which you admit to Nixie Mar 2021 #135

Yet your original post says nothing about donors Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #137

My original post was to another poster who understood. You obviously don't. Nixie Mar 2021 #139

Your original post was on a public message board Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #141

you are omitting the context about Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton. Nixie Mar 2021 #145

Yes they did for the house seat Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #147

The claim was Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton Nixie Mar 2021 #148

Not disputing Gillibrand's comments Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #151

You keep omitting the context, which was Gillibrand's comments about Clinton. Nixie Mar 2021 #154

Doesn't change the fact Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #158

It doesn't change the fact that you are omitting the first sentence, Nixie Mar 2021 #160

Okay Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #165

You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton. Nixie Mar 2021 #167

Maybe so Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #170

Definitely so. You are definitely trying to change the context, so you really aren't that Nixie Mar 2021 #176

Again not changing anything Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #178

So now you are forced to admit that the Clintons' did campaign for Gillibrand. Nixie Mar 2021 #152

Never denied that they campaigned for the house seat. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #155

The context was Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton. You keep omitting Nixie Mar 2021 #157

Still doesn't change the fact that Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #162

You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments Nixie Mar 2021 #166

Again Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #171

You keep trying to change the context, which is right there in the first sentence. Nixie Mar 2021 #173

Not changing anything Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #175

the context is in the first sentence. I'm just pointing out that what the context is Nixie Mar 2021 #177

Fine Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #179

Thanks for your concern, but it's not relevant. Nixie Mar 2021 #182

Maybe not to you Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #184

I'll stick with the NYTimes article about how much the Clintons' helped Gillibrand Nixie Mar 2021 #100

So will I and it says Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #102

None of this changes my point about Gillibrand's 2017 comments about Bill Clinton Nixie Mar 2021 #103

You're point is factually inaccurate Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #105

The point is that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons' and had no qualms about Nixie Mar 2021 #106

Fine Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #108

The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons Nixie Mar 2021 #110

Don't rewrite the article Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #112

The original point remains that Gillibrand accepted help from the Clintons Nixie Mar 2021 #114

No the article says people who supported Clinton Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #117

The article talks about how much help Gillibrand got from the Clintons Nixie Mar 2021 #118

No it says how much help Gillibrand got from Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #121

You're rewriting the entire article to fit into one fairly silly rabbit hole. Nixie Mar 2021 #123

No your original claim was Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #125

My original point was that the Clintons' helped Gillibrand and then she turned Nixie Mar 2021 #128

No your original claim was Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #130

It's not false that the Clintons' helped Gillibrand. Your rabbit hole is trying to make Nixie Mar 2021 #131

But the claim Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #133

The claim was that people are forgetting that Gillibrand's comments about Bill Nixie Mar 2021 #136

Not insinuating anything Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #138

You are omitting the part about Gillibrand's comments about Bill Clinton. Nixie Mar 2021 #140

I never said anything about Gillibrand's comments Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #143

You are omitting the context. The context was Gillibrand's comments about Nixie Mar 2021 #146

Not at all confused Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #149

You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments Nixie Mar 2021 #150

Irrelevant to the fact that Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #153

You keep omitting the first sentence, which is the context. The Clintons' Nixie Mar 2021 #156

Does not change the fact Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #159

It doesn't change the fact that Gillibrand accepted help throughout Nixie Mar 2021 #161

Maybe so Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #163

You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's Nixie Mar 2021 #164

Fine Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #168

You keep omitting the first sentence. The context was Gillibrand's comments about Nixie Mar 2021 #169

Nope included it Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #172

The context is there in the first sentence. You are ignoring the context in Nixie Mar 2021 #174

The context of the first sentence Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #180

Your concern is noted, but it doesn't change the context of my post, Nixie Mar 2021 #181

Never said it did Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #183

Kathy Hochul Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #8

Exactly. Who stands to gain from getting rid of Cuomo. Nixie Mar 2021 #9

This is not a good look for any who want to eat our own. Too much ego and stupidity on display. c-rational Mar 2021 #5

Haven't these two been at each others throats for like, years? Shanti Shanti Shanti Mar 2021 #11

Always good to kick a man ,when he's down. Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #30

They hate each other's guts. Klaralven Mar 2021 #41

I'm aware of that. Rustyeye77 Mar 2021 #44

I'm not really a BDB fan Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #94

This isn't helpful. Frankly, when both are out office (hopefully with better Dem replacements), I themaguffin Mar 2021 #144