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PatSeg

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110. Actually I do know

Thu Mar 4, 2021, 11:25 AM

Mar 2021

and that is also why I cannot see how $1400 would make a big difference to most of these people.

I understand there are going to be different opinions on this and I appreciate your point of view. I also know that not everyone will get what they want. I am very unhappy with the Democrats who have opposed the bill, but I also knew it wouldn't be easy. Manchin and Sinema are going to be a thorn in our side until we can get a larger majority in the senate. I honestly don't know what happened with Shaheen who is one of my senators. I'm trying to find out right now.

Sorry, I really wasn't trying to pick a fight.

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AOC to the Rescue Calls out Democrats on Stimulus Amounts [View all] liskddksil Mar 2021 OP

Dammit AOC! jcgoldie Mar 2021 #1

AOC really isn't very helpful. nt comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #2

More helpful then anything these "moderates" are doing nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #3

Those moderates will actually get a stimulus bill comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #6

and the 12 million who were promised checks but don't get them will blame us and we will lose our liskddksil Mar 2021 #7

Sure thing... comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #9

You laugh, but this in an own goal of epic proportions nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #10

The all or nothing approach usually yields nothing. comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #12

That's for sure PatSeg Mar 2021 #19

Sounds great in theory. But 12-17 million stand to lose out on their check. They will blame us liskddksil Mar 2021 #36

And Republicans will make sure they mention it Bettie Mar 2021 #41

Yep and all of this nonsense to save only 12 billion dollars that isn't even going liskddksil Mar 2021 #42

And all in the name of "moderation" Bettie Mar 2021 #83

Should I bdamomma Mar 2021 #98

You are correct. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2021 #38

Glad you think it's funny kcr Mar 2021 #35

No they won't. Especially the people who said they didn't need it and that it should SharonClark Mar 2021 #16

Agree. Most people aren't outrageously greedy and grasping, Hortensis Mar 2021 #44

so this one thing qazplm135 Mar 2021 #17

Exactly PatSeg Mar 2021 #21

Yes, they were promised $2000 liskddksil Mar 2021 #24

who is they? qazplm135 Mar 2021 #43

Yes for those making $80-100K, the promise is broken. liskddksil Mar 2021 #48

it's not true qazplm135 Mar 2021 #66

People want simple and fair policies. We continue to lose elections because we try to get cute and liskddksil Mar 2021 #73

yeah qazplm135 Mar 2021 #74

We lost Seats in the House, only won the Senate because of Georgia, and lost almost liskddksil Mar 2021 #75

we won the House, Senate and White House qazplm135 Mar 2021 #78

No, but shame on those who'd feel cheated at not getting handouts Hortensis Mar 2021 #46

"Handouts", are you kidding me? These are survival checks. And $80,000 in many cities liskddksil Mar 2021 #49

Sorry, but a single person making $80K without savings, without Hortensis Mar 2021 #65

What world is weighted in anyone's favor right now? This is a pandemic! Plus millennials have never liskddksil Mar 2021 #70

These days skilled people are their own production centers. Do you imagine Hortensis Mar 2021 #77

You know, I can't begin to imagine making $80,000 PatSeg Mar 2021 #85

Yes. Some beyond doubt. Hortensis Mar 2021 #102

Yes, this administration is off to a great start PatSeg Mar 2021 #106

1400 bucks qazplm135 Mar 2021 #94

Well, this is also meant to be stimulus, and some dollars Hortensis Mar 2021 #103

If someone is making $80,000 (or $160,000 for a couple) PatSeg Mar 2021 #105

Minimum wage should be $40 per hour because people making 80k are barely surviving MichMan Mar 2021 #82

+1 betsuni Mar 2021 #92

Yup. The average voter is far more interested in their own pocketbook, than any lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #23

Yep, Republicans are already tearing into us for this liskddksil Mar 2021 #25

lol qazplm135 Mar 2021 #45

Guarantee it voters will care when they use this later when the 22 and 24 campaigns ramp up. Autumn Mar 2021 #88

no qazplm135 Mar 2021 #91

They will use that and people will remember. Autumn Mar 2021 #96

nah qazplm135 Mar 2021 #100

And I don't care bdamomma Mar 2021 #99

This is the point that gets me. How stupid do we have to be to capitulate ANYTHING to them? Doremus Mar 2021 #72

Nobody knows that. The proposal was just released an hour or two ago AND it's not final. George II Mar 2021 #54

A stimulus bill guaranteed to piss off anyone who gets cut off... regnaD kciN Mar 2021 #34

So positively comparing trump to Democrats is good? George II Mar 2021 #52

"Moderates" are the Reason we Won Cha Mar 2021 #57

These moderates in States like WV and AZ are occupying a seat that has been red. grantcart Mar 2021 #79

More helpful than Manchin and Sinema, that's for sure. jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #26

No, she's not. Magoo48 Mar 2021 #37

She's more helpful and realistic than any other politician. If you think that this won't piss off Autumn Mar 2021 #87

What doesn't she understand? Let me make this simple, Manchin, and a couple of other JohnSJ Mar 2021 #4

Its not just Manchin sabotoging this. Jeanne Sheehan and other "moderates" wanted this change liskddksil Mar 2021 #5

There has gotta be a workaround ... mdelaguna Mar 2021 #13

The only way is for the congressional progressives to announce they will not vote for liskddksil Mar 2021 #15

How possible do you think that is? jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #28

Unlikely but you never know nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #30

I wonder if they will just take out the parts overruled by the parliamentarian jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #31

...and then any democrats voting to change it could be blamed for killing the bill jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #33

Some bold Dems need to threaten to vote it down leftstreet Mar 2021 #20

Yes. That is why I referenced a generic couple of other Democratic Senators, also in my statement JohnSJ Mar 2021 #18

But they did not get 1400 under moonscape Mar 2021 #86

Biden said he can unite Republicans wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #8

+1 leftstreet Mar 2021 #11

He said he would try, but that ended the moment they countered with a 600 billion package JohnSJ Mar 2021 #22

Could anyone do a better job as President than Biden? Why the immediate negative connotation? George II Mar 2021 #67

If Biden had better coattails during the election, we wouldn't be having this conversation wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #76

I honestly can't imagine any president doing a better job than Biden PatSeg Mar 2021 #84

It's about what he said he'd do. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2021 #114

Pity she isn't in the Senate to vote against it nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #14

Why not call out the Republicans? treestar Mar 2021 #27

No, the Democrats are the ones who negotiated this change. Republicans are already liskddksil Mar 2021 #29

I sure wish I was that not rich. OriginalGeek Mar 2021 #39

The Rubio statements doesn't even make sense treestar Mar 2021 #40

just so I'm clear qazplm135 Mar 2021 #47

Oh so now even Marco Rubio is better than our Democrats? By the way, do you even know what.... George II Mar 2021 #59

I'm just commenting on what's reported now in case its not to late to make things right nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #60

Marco Rubio's opinion is hardly relevant PatSeg Mar 2021 #89

160K, once income tax at state and federal levels, property taxes, Celerity Mar 2021 #95

Only 8% of American households PatSeg Mar 2021 #104

Now you are moving the goalposts. I stand 100% behind my analysis and I Celerity Mar 2021 #107

Actually I do know PatSeg Mar 2021 #110

I do not want to fight either. I just think this was a self-inflicted wound that certainly doesn't Celerity Mar 2021 #111

I think we are still going through withdrawal PatSeg Mar 2021 #112

I forgot to ask, you're in NH, what are the odds (given our shit record in first midterms for Dem Celerity Mar 2021 #121

Honestly, I was surprised that Sununu PatSeg Mar 2021 #122

the Rethugs flipped both the NH House and Senate to give them their 23rd state trifecta Celerity Mar 2021 #123

It is funny how many states elect Democrats PatSeg Mar 2021 #124

it so fucks us in terms of gerrymandering at state and federal levels and running elections as well Celerity Mar 2021 #125

AOC is an asset to The Democratic Party. Glad We have her. Tommymac Mar 2021 #32

Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #56

Nope nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #63

Read her tweet again, please. Thanks. George II Mar 2021 #68

Why is it acceptable to "call out Democrats" especially when they're praising trump in the process? George II Mar 2021 #50

Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #53

The number of people not getting a check is virtually zero, this is a proposal to scale down.... George II Mar 2021 #55

Where did I praise Trump? I'm just doing math liskddksil Mar 2021 #58

The subject of your OP is saying trump is better than our Democrats. George II Mar 2021 #61

I don't think it is nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #62

You are correct it isn't ChubbyStar Mar 2021 #69

Thats not at what it says even remotely jcgoldie Mar 2021 #93

No it isn't. Not even close George. Autumn Mar 2021 #97

Your math is wrong dansolo Mar 2021 #119

AOC is right about this. aikoaiko Mar 2021 #51

Simple solution. Traildogbob Mar 2021 #64

So all of Wisconsin gets zero checks? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2021 #115

Just registered republicans. Traildogbob Mar 2021 #116

We don't register here, so... Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2021 #117

If all the Traildogbob Mar 2021 #118

Look, realistically Traildogbob Mar 2021 #120

Maybe she could have said it differently but I agree... electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #71

Who's she rescuing? mcar Mar 2021 #80

Unlikely she can stop the train at this point, but 12 million people who should be liskddksil Mar 2021 #81

She's right... there was absolutely no reason to do this budkin Mar 2021 #90

yes, yes it is Celerity Mar 2021 #109

Tweet threads blaming Biden/Democrats because zero Republican votes betsuni Mar 2021 #101

If it's a stimulus payment, give it to as many people as fiscally possible. BusyBeingBest Mar 2021 #108

Plus those who are still making money... lame54 Mar 2021 #113