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35. Catholic JFK had an answer, and he disagreed with yours, to wit:

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:21 PM

Oct 2012

In what would become a model for generations of American Catholic politicians, Kennedy insisted his policies would be based on his conscience, not church teaching.

"I believe in a president whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation, or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office," Kennedy said, just weeks before the general election. "I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/jfk-religion-speech_n_1307282.html

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******WRAPPING UP! OFFICIAL BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE THREAD #5****** [View all] riderinthestorm Oct 2012 OP

Catholicism, now. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #1

The moderator is so freaking SMARMY, it's gag-worthy. And why should RELIGION matter to the LAW? MU- WinkyDink Oct 2012 #2

Whatever guides their philosophy, their thinking, their political position....matters. It matters to Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #9

Catholic JFK had an answer, and he disagreed with yours, to wit: WinkyDink Oct 2012 #35

From The American President: The people have a way of deciding on their own what's important to them Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #76

So go argue with JFK. ANYONE can claim to be religious; even Bush claimed it. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #89

Beg to differ. It's on the table, and is an important part of policy. nolabear Oct 2012 #11

Really? Since when? Did anyone ask Ike about being Episcopalian? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #19

How many debates was Ike in? Was there a time when people wouldn't vote for Episc.? Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #91

IMO, a good politician would say our govt is SECULAR. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #140

It's been brutal so far. Lars39 Oct 2012 #3

Ryan respects people who don't agree with his pro-life position, BUT..... nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #4

David Shuster tweet: Repubs loudly complaining about debate moderator. It's another sign the GOP highplainsdem Oct 2012 #5

ask them how they feel about Ayn Rand n/t Enrique Oct 2012 #6

Oh crap, it Abortion and your religion to wrap up Up2Late Oct 2012 #7

Joe will pound Ryan over his rape apology votes. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #8

Not the right of religions to force others into their beliefs. Sorry Ryan. Fearless Oct 2012 #10

The moderator Flatpicker Oct 2012 #12

His religious beliefs inform his thinking on how to treat the vulnerable?? gkhouston Oct 2012 #13

FU Ryan. My reproductive rights come before your damned Catholic church Lars39 Oct 2012 #14

Why Catholicism? Why not Pastafarianism? RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #15

Pastafarianism? Mrs. Ted Nancy Oct 2012 #79

Okay, so you want freedom of religion. Then don't enforce your anti-abortion rhetoric on people! JTG of the PRB Oct 2012 #16

Ryan's personal relationship with his catholicism...he turned it into an Obamacare argument? nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #17

I can't believe she brought religion into it. redqueen Oct 2012 #18

Strange. Gregorian Oct 2012 #27

Who cares? Ryan still flubbed it and Biden didn't. randome Oct 2012 #46

Once you bring religion into the forum matt819 Oct 2012 #52

Thank you Joe Biden! Lars39 Oct 2012 #20

CNN focus group TOTALLY on Joe's side on abortion issue. nolabear Oct 2012 #21

To me, the name Bean means that TlalocW Oct 2012 #22

Well I just read two Alice Miller books, and I also agree. Gregorian Oct 2012 #42

I just think of Mr. Bean Poiuyt Oct 2012 #54

THANK YOU JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! redqueen Oct 2012 #23

NICE! Biden: I refuse to impose my catholic doctrine on to other of other religion. Up2Late Oct 2012 #24

My Friend Here, the Congressman Flatpicker Oct 2012 #25

I believe that in some cases, abortion should be retroactive RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #26

Only in the case of Flatpicker Oct 2012 #40

Kudos to Joe for bringing up Robert Bork. highplainsdem Oct 2012 #28

And slammed Scalia! NT ballabosh Oct 2012 #37

Bork is Romney's advisor for S.Ct.? Wow, I didn't know that. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #29

I thought Flatpicker Oct 2012 #30

That depends Mrs. Ted Nancy Oct 2012 #112

potential supreme court nominees KewlKat Oct 2012 #31

Did Ryan practice smirking with Romney or what? n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #32

Biden smartly goes to Supreme Court. nolabear Oct 2012 #33

His son will serve? llmart Oct 2012 #34

Oh, he'll serve....on some private-school doubles team. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #53

I want to hug Joe for his abortion answer. MadrasT Oct 2012 #36

+1 nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #41

Negative campaigning, now. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #38

AND Ryan goes back to GOP Talking Points on Abortion! Up2Late Oct 2012 #39

Biden threw the "forcible rape" back in Ryan's face meow2u3 Oct 2012 #43

47% KewlKat Oct 2012 #44

I like Biden's answer re negative campaigning. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #45

Haven't been able to watch. How's he doing? LittleBlue Oct 2012 #47

Objectively? Biden is freaking brilliant. nolabear Oct 2012 #56

Joe is just plain smokin' in tonight's debate. Nonstop. 1-Old-Man Oct 2012 #58

Thanks. I was worried after the last Obama debate LittleBlue Oct 2012 #75

I watched a little, but roody Oct 2012 #109

Got his email from Joe: My promise to you and Barack tonight siligut Oct 2012 #48

"Great Recession" reference by Biden. Me likey. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #49

Mike Signorile: The CNN undecided voter graph dipping down sharply on Ryan's abortion positions, in highplainsdem Oct 2012 #50

As we head to the finish, I want to thank all you guys for the blow by blow for those of us who were Squinch Oct 2012 #51

Good on Biden for blowing off that stupid-ass question Enrique Oct 2012 #55

Joe is being very calm and reasoned now sfpcjock Oct 2012 #57

joe is the best. i want to thank him for his service all these years. spanone Oct 2012 #59

I can't stand this little piece of lying shit. nm nc4bo Oct 2012 #60

Ryan's answering "negative campaigning" question with, you guessed it, negative statements! nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #61

And all his right-wing talking points - lies. nm nc4bo Oct 2012 #65

Yep! Sure didn't see THAT one coming! JTG of the PRB Oct 2012 #72

this run from crap must be the newest GOP talking points.....it irritates the hell out of me. KewlKat Oct 2012 #62

Wrapping up, I think Up2Late Oct 2012 #63

If Ryan thinks people should run from Obama's record, what should we do with his? JTG of the PRB Oct 2012 #64

I think most people have tuned the little twerp out by now..... llmart Oct 2012 #66

Agreed. redqueen Oct 2012 #78

xbox live poll Flatpicker Oct 2012 #67

Chuck Todd: Biden did what Obama team wanted: fired up the base; reassured those who were nervous highplainsdem Oct 2012 #68

Ryan is giving Joe a lot to answer at the end. Probably why he saved it until now. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #69

"I just got my ass kicked, but I can sure spew a load of lies for my encore!" bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #70

Ryan's pulling out the lying talking points for his wrap up. Liberal In Texas Oct 2012 #71

Yep. And he's presenting exactly zero new ideas. LOSER... Gregorian Oct 2012 #80

Ryan is demonstrating the question Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #73

Kos: They'll need a stretcher to haul Ryan off the stage. highplainsdem Oct 2012 #74

And a table for the diaper change Iris Oct 2012 #82

Biden's Closing has to be Big. kerouac2 Oct 2012 #77

Isn't the 12mm jobs thing an estimate based on no matter who is prez? kerouac2 Oct 2012 #101

So, Joe won't get as much time? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #81

Yep. redqueen Oct 2012 #86

Mitt Romney is not Uniquely Qualified to be a dog catcher. Flatpicker Oct 2012 #83

Now, if "Dog Abuser" were an elected office... n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #88

Go Joe! He's talking about the rAyn budget meow2u3 Oct 2012 #84

Ryan voted to put two wars on a credit card. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #85

OH NICE! Another LIE to wrap up from Ryan! We've had 4 Budgets??? Up2Late Oct 2012 #87

Only Eddie Munster could provide "honesty" sfpcjock Oct 2012 #90

HONESTY? *cough*marathontime*cough* bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #92

I laughed out loud when I heard him utter that word! JTG of the PRB Oct 2012 #100

Ryan knows he's lost it..... llmart Oct 2012 #93

Honesty? Flatpicker Oct 2012 #94

LOL Honesty ?? Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #95

So sick of hearing how Obama broke his promise to work with Congress nobodyspecial Oct 2012 #96

honesty mrs_p Oct 2012 #97

Lyin' Ryan talking about being honest? meow2u3 Oct 2012 #98

Ryan wouldn't recognize honesty if it bit him in the ass Lars39 Oct 2012 #99

What a squirrelly MF'er Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #121

Who is the moderator, anyway? (I know: Google.) She likes to argue with Joe. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #102

"Look at my record. It's been all about the middle class." highplainsdem Oct 2012 #103

Who, me honest? Say it ain't so Joe. Gregorian Oct 2012 #104

Biden: Look at my record. It's about the middle class. Me likey. The truth. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #105

A bullshit question at the end. AlinPA Oct 2012 #106

David Corn: Ryan is advocating politicians who stick to what they say. Of all Romney's talents, that highplainsdem Oct 2012 #107

Joe, look at the camera! Liberal In Texas Oct 2012 #108

I liked it Flatpicker Oct 2012 #114

Biden: "We inherited a God awful (pause) circumstance" tawadi Oct 2012 #110

End it on the 47% Flatpicker Oct 2012 #111

Oh, no. Ryan looking earnestly at the camera, at me. Oooooh. Kinda creepy. Insincere. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #113

ROFL! Karl Rove tweets that he misses Jim Lehrer! highplainsdem Oct 2012 #115

Ryan just looks evil. I'm sorry. Gregorian Oct 2012 #116

Ryan looking right into the camera gives me the willies. JTG of the PRB Oct 2012 #117

Wait 'til you see him looking right into your window. gkhouston Oct 2012 #126

AHHHHH!!!! Flatpicker Oct 2012 #136

Joe's closing statement brought tears to my eyes. MadrasT Oct 2012 #118

Oh god. I hope the poor don't buy this bullshit. eom tawadi Oct 2012 #119

"Mitt Romney and I want to earn your support." Suuuuure. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #120

Not in this universe, in this lifetime, on this planet! n/t RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #125

Ryan's closing statement is just a rehash. KO Joe wins! nolabear Oct 2012 #122

...And I want to thank you, Joe... Up2Late Oct 2012 #123

WHAT founding principles? They change their policy positions like other people change pants! redqueen Oct 2012 #124

Mitt and Ryan are aboard the USS Duck the Issues........... KewlKat Oct 2012 #127

Wow. Loved that. And agree with Rachel that it was 90 minutes that felt like 9 minutes. highplainsdem Oct 2012 #128

Two for two - can we do this more? mjjoe Oct 2012 #129

man, i hope the pundits spin this truthfully! trailmonkee Oct 2012 #130

Ryan always reminds of a smarmy, douchebag frat boy JCMach1 Oct 2012 #131

Ryan got a few shots in. But I declare Biden the winner!!!!!! GO MR V P, GO!!!! WELL DONE! nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #132

Kick Ass Joe! Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #133

Finally, I've figured her out! Martha was imitating Diane Sawyer's faux-earnest style! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #134

Wolfie declared the debate a draw. OMG. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #135

Are they on drugs? KewlKat Oct 2012 #137

Wolfie is bought and paid for - that is no surprise. nt TBF Oct 2012 #139

Ahh, So now we get the comedy portion of the night. Flatpicker Oct 2012 #141

That's what I'm hearing as well from another place TlalocW Oct 2012 #142

And now Ryan can safely be put back in his casket for another day's rest. Garlic and a stake please. Gregorian Oct 2012 #138