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WhiskeyGrinder

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Thu Apr 15, 2021, 06:55 PM

Apr 2021

Well, it is obvious that you really don't have a clue and really are not able to debate the issue

How so? What do I need after someone steals my TV? I need a new TV, for one. That's what insurance is for. What do I need after that? Maybe some advice about how to keep my home safer, which my insurance company should be able to provide.

I’m saying we need a police force

For what?

we can do that with community based policing where the police officers know the people in the community and the community knows them.

Brooklyn Center, Minn., was held up as an excellent example of community policing. Guess what happened? Daunte Wright was murdered. Community policing turns communities against themselves.

I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say,

I'll spell it out. I'm saying that the police cannot be reformed, that as a white supremacist institution it exists to protect only itself and white supremacy, and that reform is impossible, so it must be abolished.

but it appears you have some issues.

So I've been told.

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Adam Toledo Video Shows Chicago Police Shooting 13-Year-Old As He Raised His Hands [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 OP

Thanks. I was just checking to see if it was posted yet. hedda_foil Apr 2021 #1

😢 13 years old. His hands up. This is just fucked. n/t TDale313 Apr 2021 #2

"All you have to do is cooperate with police and you will be fine " luckone Apr 2021 #35

"Leaders have asked people to remain peaceful" gratuitous Apr 2021 #3

that's it for me for today... stillcool Apr 2021 #4

Oh gee, maybe he didn't mean to kill him. Officer sounds shocked 1!!1! He only fired once11!!1 Arazi Apr 2021 #5

May be. The suicide rate after officers have killed kids is pretty high. Hortensis Apr 2021 #6

I. Don't. Care. Arazi Apr 2021 #8

Perhaps at least you can understand how trumpist extremists feel then. Hortensis Apr 2021 #102

I don't understand your post. And if you won't watch the video why comment? Arazi Apr 2021 #108

delete... Stuart G Apr 2021 #90

Kick demmiblue Apr 2021 #7

Yep one of the tweet replies - They murdered that child for complying with police orders luckone Apr 2021 #36

Minutes later, a police supervisor radios in to officers on the scene to turn their body cameras off Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #9

We need huge consequences for turning off body cams TDale313 Apr 2021 #11

+1 live love laugh Apr 2021 #96

He should be fired immediately. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #17

Yep murder uponit7771 Apr 2021 #21

well probably... "let's get our stories straight" Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #24

+1, body cams off equals instant guilt imho. They lost the benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Apr 2021 #26

Absolutely. Body cam needs to be on 100% of the time. joshcryer Apr 2021 #98

Plus body cams need to be on 100% of all police officers. IMO KS Toronado Apr 2021 #111

That is a very bad shoot. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #10

Was the youth armed? superpatriotman Apr 2021 #12

The reporting is indeed shitty and inconsistent. /nt spudspud Apr 2021 #22

"Toledo does not appear to be holding the gun as an officer shot him," ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #27

Yes, sarisataka Apr 2021 #29

There's nothing in the video showing the kid had anything in his hands before getting shot ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #41

Watch the 2:03-2:04 range sarisataka Apr 2021 #45

That's not a gun, its part of the fence behind him. Even if they found a gun at the scene they uponit7771 Apr 2021 #59

It isn't a part of the fence sarisataka Apr 2021 #68

No we don't have those views and no one is confirming he had a gun but a few people uponit7771 Apr 2021 #99

They did find a handgun with the slide locked back next to the fence. SYFROYH Apr 2021 #109

+1, The cop turning off his camera pisses me off to no end uponit7771 Apr 2021 #112

What prompted the pursuit Deminpenn Apr 2021 #54

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #57

Shots fired. The kid did have a gun. He dropped it. He did NOT have it on him when he was killed mucifer Apr 2021 #105

Thanks Deminpenn Apr 2021 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Apr 2021 #113

See the photo in my reply w#28 fright before shooting Empty hands up as they approach him luckone Apr 2021 #38

When the cop pulled the trigger? When the bullet hit him? No. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #53

He tossed the gun behind the fence and then turned to face the officer. Dustlawyer Apr 2021 #65

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"Put up your fucking hands" then blam! Hands up, no gun Arazi Apr 2021 #71

Oh, might he have been armed at some point? Then please tell me why bullwinkle428 Apr 2021 #92

omfg, they murderd this kid !!! Then requested body cams turned off!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #13

Covering up evidence. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #32

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #39

Why even bother to raise hands in compliance anymore? pandr32 Apr 2021 #14

This child was murdered malaise Apr 2021 #15

YES! +1000 Duppers Apr 2021 #69

Absolutely. Bristlecone Apr 2021 #89

We MUST overhaul the way we police...too many senseless killings....this is insane ashredux Apr 2021 #16

Reform after reform is what got us here. Reform got us George Floyd. Brooklyn Center, whose cops WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #52

Well, you cannot abolish "it all". ashredux Apr 2021 #73

I would argue that we don't. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #75

So....someone steals your TV...who do you call? ashredux Apr 2021 #80

A crisis team from my insurance company. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #81

Well, it is obvious that you really don't have a clue and really are not able to debate the issue ashredux Apr 2021 #83

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Maybe we should get rid of guns? apnu Apr 2021 #103

Do everything in your power to avoid EVER crossing paths with a police officer. nt Binkie The Clown Apr 2021 #18

This right here is the answer. Afrocat Apr 2021 #25

In the last 25 or 30 years I spoke with the police only once... Binkie The Clown Apr 2021 #60

Do everything in your power to abolish the police. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #51

It appears you are here to disrupt...not have a frank discussion ashredux Apr 2021 #87

What would you like to discuss? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #88

My late brother was a cop...he was not perfect but I saw it up close. ashredux Apr 2021 #86

Situation Appropriate Response Binkie The Clown Apr 2021 #93

Its the guns. apnu Apr 2021 #104

That's a split second call. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2021 #19

No it's not The kid was unarmed and if it was that split second stay the fuck away uponit7771 Apr 2021 #23

I don't think you watched the same video. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2021 #48

I watched the video, there was no gun in kids hand and there has been no still pick with a clear gun uponit7771 Apr 2021 #61

I agree. I personally don't have enough information to even remotely judge the officer's response. Chakaconcarne Apr 2021 #30

There's a video from the body cam and nothing in the video shows clearly the kid with a gun and uponit7771 Apr 2021 #63

Adam Toledo Did NOT have a gun! Lokee11 Apr 2021 #62

Do you have a video of the tossing? The body cam of the LEO doesn't show anything clearly ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #64

In an instant. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2021 #94

Keep his distance, easy peasy. What is the alternative? Bad shooting hands down uponit7771 Apr 2021 #101

The Executioner yelled for him to stop and show me your hands - Lokee11 Apr 2021 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Apr 2021 #114

He had his hands up. spanone Apr 2021 #20

This has to stop. luckone Apr 2021 #28

F**kin media is half the damn problem, anyone reporting that story should be sued for taking the CPD uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40

SCOTUS established guidelines when deadly force is justified Deminpenn Apr 2021 #46

Simple answer. Moostache Apr 2021 #70

Looked like murder to me. world wide wally Apr 2021 #31

His hands were up. Amazing how untrained our officers are, with itchy trigger fingers AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #33

"Amazing how untrained our officers are," WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #50

Part of me wants to argue with you. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #56

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Yea I have read that. And I live here in Minneapolis CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #76

OMG how did I miss you were in Mpls. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #78

Yeah all options are on the table for me in fixing our world. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #91

Bad training is still no training. This coming from a teacher of 16 years in four AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #72

The system sustains itself. People are trained this way because it upholds the system. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #74

He had his hands up Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #34

"I've had about all I can take of these cops who are not people." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #49

cameras off demand instant assumption of guilt, loss of pension & insurance - make it so bringthePaine Apr 2021 #37

+1, ... and why did they get close if they had to shoot ?! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #42

20 seconds Deminpenn Apr 2021 #43

"While 13 is still kid age, but, jmho, but 13 yr olds are much more sophisticated today." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #47

Didn't say that at all Deminpenn Apr 2021 #55

Y'all, this can't be reformed. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #44

Just saw the video. I am so fricking mad and crying. Shell_Seas Apr 2021 #58

There was a clear attempt at cover-up dalton99a Apr 2021 #77

Appeared to me the boy was following the command of the PO to show his hands. Kaleva Apr 2021 #79

Agreed. Not fast enough, apparently. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #82

I can't even... Nevilledog Apr 2021 #84

.... but it appears he did have a gun a split second before the shooting and tossed it (which the co riversedge Apr 2021 #95

I'm not convinced the kid had a gun to begin with but he complied with the LEO order uponit7771 Apr 2021 #100

At 2:30 am in a dark alley after shots were fired someone armed live love laugh Apr 2021 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author mucifer Apr 2021 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Apr 2021 #116

If you have a gun and you're around cops at all, assume you're getting shot gulliver Apr 2021 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Apr 2021 #117

Two different societies, true, but also context gulliver Apr 2021 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Apr 2021 #119