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In reply to the discussion: I fully understand that this post is likely to draw very intense personal criticism but, at my age, [View all]live love laugh
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Atticus
Apr 2021
OP
***BULLFUCKIN SHIT!!!*** The kid did what he was told to do, why did he get shot anyway?
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#1
That's nonsense. At that range and in that time frame, the pistol was pointed, not aimed. It was
Atticus
Apr 2021
#13
Aiming a pistol involves lining up the blade front sight with the notch in the rear sight and the
Atticus
Apr 2021
#70
No, this is why the cops follow dept rules and common sense. like don't get close to someone
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#8
You're right, the cop should have slowed things down. He had the car for cover, the kid had none.
rickyhall
Apr 2021
#14
Then the LEO should have use 1. Time as a tactic, 2. Distance, 3. warning, basically what it
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#113
"The idea of giving an armed jerk, time and distance at 3am is terrifying" Then don't be a cop !!!
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#144
"A trained cop shoots a 13-year-old kid who just surrendered according to his orders..."
sop
Apr 2021
#227
It seems stopping, dropping the gun, turning around and surrendering is a capital offense now.
sop
Apr 2021
#232
Your post just above is disigenuous---at best---because it ignores the FACT that the
Atticus
Apr 2021
#278
+1, people are avoiding this one question. It's because the LEO didn't follow rules here ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#10
Can you cite some authority for what seems like a rule requiring cops to be cowards--- i.e.,
Atticus
Apr 2021
#19
Common sense and training, you're wrong here. The cop didn't follow training and a kid died ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#85
In other words, you have nothing to support what you are saying. It is just what you think.
Atticus
Apr 2021
#91
That is not the point, is it? The point is, does section seven back up YOUR numerous
Atticus
Apr 2021
#177
Yes, the leo didn't follow the UOF rules ... you can read them yourself but the summary
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#183
And, still, the fact remains that you have failed or refused to respond with a source which
Atticus
Apr 2021
#261
RIGHT ?!!? I'd bet over 90% of unarmed shooting is because LEO didn't follow rules, training etc
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#139
None of the kids pre-action justifies execution, people have a hard time answering this question...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#20
You ignored the shooting at people part but otherwise yes sound alright to me
Devil Child
Apr 2021
#322
If a cop hadn't pulled the trigger after telling him to put his hands up, he'd still be alive
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#325
'Lil homicide was his gang nickname and how some of his peers addressed him in their eulogies
Devil Child
Apr 2021
#329
Cruel, petty, and obnoxious is quite fitting for a deceased member of a criminal gang.
Devil Child
Apr 2021
#332
Don't shoot children who stop running and put up their hands just like you told them to
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#200
I'm pretty sure my parents never even had to tell me not to run around on the streets at 2 am.
Treefrog
Apr 2021
#237
Yes, looking the other way is less messy than being informed and staging your opinion. nt
Atticus
Apr 2021
#262
Atticus, let me be the first to criticize you . . . . . for not posting this earlier. I agree.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#9
The kid did what he was told to do and still was killed, what else could he have done? All the
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#12
I'm not sure. In video, he had what sure looks like a pistol at 2:38:39 and didn't at 2:38:40.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#23
All pre-actions to the shooting don't justify an execution. This was hands down a bad ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#31
I'm sorry. At 2:38:39 he had a gun. At 2:38:40 his hands are up. Shot seems to be at 2:38:40 too.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#43
The cop didn't follow training and a kid died, that's what's up. All else is bullshit execuses
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#61
No, BS here is trying to equate this incident with George Floyd and similar incidents with UNARMED
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#63
"I am definitely biased in that if someone is carrying a gun -- don't care if it's a trump loving
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#257
There is a big difference in this case, Whiskey. Sorry you can't see it, or admit it.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#288
Sorry, but the kid did NOT do "what he was told to do". He was ordered to stop---four times---and
Atticus
Apr 2021
#34
Again, "all preactions to the shooting do not justify execution" ... I don't know why people are
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#38
From what I've seen, I think the bullet was on the way at same time he raised his hands -- 2:38:40.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#47
True, the LEO should not have called for the hands of someone he thought had a gun ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#56
Your very use of the word "execution" displays the predetermination that you seek to justify. nt
Atticus
Apr 2021
#48
Peoples deflection of the question via diction shows me where their thinking ISN'T
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#57
The link to CPD use of force procedures ***IS*** fact thought, come on man. The majority of
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#117
Even in a sweeping motion it would have taken half of a second to throw the gun
njhoneybadger
Apr 2021
#112
Why order someone to put his hands in the air if you're going to shoot him when he does?
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#11
+1, have you tried to OP this question? There's no one who wants to address it? The cop ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#18
We need people who are informed, it can be frustrating on issues but not all of them. You add
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#27
In this video the officer appears to fire at 2:38:40 not even a second after the teenager turned.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#28
1. LEO got close, 2. Didn't order armed perp on the ground, 3. Asked for hands without knowning
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#36
The fact that he shot him that fast doesn't mean he didn't have time to think
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#39
Don't think so, StarfishSaver. Go out and sprint 30 yards in the dark with a strobe light and tell
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#54
The cops ***TRAINING*** says if the perp is suspected to be armed do 1, 2 and 3 ... and one of them
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#58
Do what/ A policeman running after an armed person who may have fired the gun a little earlier,
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#62
Yep, then if not followed get busy ... bout that simple. LOL ... I used to play college football...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#71
I'll trust Mayor Lightfoot, the DA, and a jury, if needed, to sort this out. Oh, the facts are
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#81
We'll see, this leo didn't follow training and a kid died. If training in CPD is to close up on a...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#84
Former Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says "Reasonable." Not cool
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#101
This is false on its face, LEOs are trained for these situations. I think that's where people are...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#108
You keep repeating that the cop "did not follow the rules" or police procedures and protocols
Atticus
Apr 2021
#87
Main Use of Force Policy (G03-02) .. part 7. It aint rocket science and (link) is just a summary
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#97
I'm tired of hearing how training is supposed to be scripted out in 1.8 seconds in an ARMED
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#75
I agree. However, I don't think this case is necessarily part of that. Every time a white policeman
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#123
I'd agree with you if whites who run with guns were as likely to be shot as blacks running with guns
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#154
Charles Ramsey agrees with you but he's not the only authority on this matter
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#182
So, until "whites who run with guns" are "as likely to be shot as blacks who run with guns",
Atticus
Apr 2021
#267
I DO understand and agree with much of your anguish. Do I fully feel it? No, I am a white man.
Atticus
Apr 2021
#280
I agree with your points, there is systemic racism against black people in our society.
Bluepinky
Apr 2021
#294
He threw the gun down less than a sec. before he turned. Say bullshit all you like.
58Sunliner
Apr 2021
#206
This young man did not just "have a gun". He had fired it at people and had kept it and fled after
Atticus
Apr 2021
#270
I guess we are done. Your post mentioning "deaf child" is the first reference like that I have seen
Atticus
Apr 2021
#285
Really ?! So lack of training is why non-whites get killed at a disproportionate rate? REALLY ?!
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#102
My question wasn't rhetorical seeing you did include training as a solution IINM
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#161
7771, you have posted at least 5 times that the policeman didn't follow training.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#169
Are you even aware that characterizing this situation as a "trigger happy cop" shooting a black
Atticus
Apr 2021
#128
I didn't say he shot him because he didn't comply fast enough. The poster I was responding to did.
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#160
ok, ... I'm almost with you in sentiment. This is tiring, the cop doesn't follow training and a kid
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#165
It's interesting and frustrating that people keep arguing that the cop may have "made a mistake"
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#184
+1, last summer lost the benefit of the doubt for cops for me. LEOs in some PDs are so racist that
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#190
Many white people see the police for exactly what they are and why they're there
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#193
What is funny is your understanding of history and the formation of the police.
58Sunliner
Apr 2021
#212
I didn't say all white people feel that way. If I wasn't referring to you, I wasn't referring to you
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#214
If he had hesitated, he would likely have been shot for not complying fast enough
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#349
Docilely and congenially I just want to point out that ascribing objections to this shooting to:
dawg day
Apr 2021
#15
My statement is not intended to say that the killing of Black people is OK!
SheltieLover
Apr 2021
#66
Like the cop in Minnesota the CPD cop didn't follow training, when that happens and a person is
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#59
I always have to wonder why cops who are about to be shot - make no attempt to take cover.
Runningdawg
Apr 2021
#53
Exactly! Only explanation is the cop knew he was going to shoot him as soon as the time was ripe.
rgbecker
Apr 2021
#86
+1, this one didn't follow well laid out rule of engagement and training period. This was a bad ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#130
I have seen police training experts from Philly, NY, and several small towns say same thing.
Jon King
Apr 2021
#82
For Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says differently.
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#90
+1, There are so many other use of force tactics the LEO could've taken before even approaching
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#166
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾, I've been trying to make this point that this was a bad shooting for ever ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#135
It is not that I don't care what others think. It is just that knowing many will disagree with me
Atticus
Apr 2021
#109
Former Washington DC and Philly Police Chief/Commissioner and CNN expert says "Reasonable." Not cool
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#104
Yup, you are correct. You are speaking your mind. And I will speak mine
Ferrets are Cool
Apr 2021
#127
That is, perhaps, the most honest and respectful disagreement voiced in the entire thread.
Atticus
Apr 2021
#140
+1, CPD use of force 2017 section 7 outlines what LEOs are supposed to do and one of them ...
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#149
Aghast to read this apologia for out-of-control police here at DU. Word fail me. I feel sick. n/t
KatK
Apr 2021
#142
Insisting the child "shares the blame" is the same as suggesting his behavior warranted the result.
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#234
people it doesn't have to be. Murdering someone in slow motion for 9 mins shouldn't be the only
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#185
Was that info about them shooting at passing cars in any news reports? I didn't come across that.
ancianita
Apr 2021
#204
The video says it all...It's interesting that people keep representing this as shooting at cars
greenjar_01
Apr 2021
#238
It is better video, but it just makes me want to throw up for kid, parents, neighbors, EMTs, police,
Hoyt
Apr 2021
#223
When you criticize me for saying something I did not say---that kinda says it all. nt
Atticus
Apr 2021
#274
Here is what you said which it appears you have no interest in defending based on this exchange:
jcgoldie
Apr 2021
#277
Clearly, that was not aimed at "all" who disagree with me plus the word "possibly" does
Atticus
Apr 2021
#282
Atticus, in reality it's not up to us to make any conclusions on-line in cases like this.
KY_EnviroGuy
Apr 2021
#240
Kevlar isn't bulletproof, and only protects the torso, and not against every type of bullet.
Decoy of Fenris
Apr 2021
#249
As you should have known when you posted your questions. As a courtesy, I will delete
Atticus
Apr 2021
#341
You're wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled it illegal to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#309
But he did shoot him, whether he wanted to or not. And he needs to face the consequences.
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#312
And IMMEDIATELY calling for the ambulance and starting CPR. I don't believe he wanted
mucifer
Apr 2021
#293
How is it a " legitimate shot" if he was shot with his empty hands in the air as he was ordered?
StarfishSaver
Apr 2021
#303
I agree with you Atticus. Did the cop know he was a 13 year old kid? In an instance like this
ratchiweenie
Apr 2021
#299
I agree with you. It's come to the point where a cop has to be shot before he or she fires a shot
Vinca
Apr 2021
#320
Happened less than 20 seconds after the officer got out of his car. A witness claims to have seen
DiamondShark
Apr 2021
#333