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StarfishSaver

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90. And you know that people being attacked don't ever try to attack back in the heat of the moment?

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:51 AM

Apr 2021

There is not a "right" way for people to defend themselves when they are in the midst of a frightening or threatening situation. People defend themselves in all kinds of ways when they're terrified. I certainly think that would especially apply to a terrified 15-year-old girl.

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In Columbus, a cop shot a 15-year-old girl 10 SECONDS after he arrived on the scene [View all] StarfishSaver Apr 2021 OP

It has to stop. H2O Man Apr 2021 #1

It's like the time cops drove up fast and killed the kid on swing set within a few seconds. TheBlackAdder Apr 2021 #148

Seems clear to me policeman saved life of other girl, from what I just saw. Hoyt Apr 2021 #2

That is exactly right. TheProle Apr 2021 #4

"The young lady in pink was going to be gutted" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #10

I realize you never believe a shooting is justified Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #24

No, Boo. I often think shootings are justified StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #28

No. You can fight back with a knife. And the parents could have fought to get Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #108

And if these were white kids, we wouldn't be swarmed with white people insisting that this scared StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #114

Exactly. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #118

Really? Do you think a "white kid" is incapable of stabbing someone? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #123

Of course not StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #125

But the parents were not fighting to get the girl with the knife off... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #161

"The cop saved that other kid's life." RegularJam Apr 2021 #232

Hyperbole is right. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #279

Exactly... HipChick Apr 2021 #72

You need to ask yourself why you need to float such hyperbole... RegularJam Apr 2021 #229

Where is the hyperbole? TheProle Apr 2021 #231

I put it in quotes to make it easy. RegularJam Apr 2021 #234

We can play semantic games all day TheProle Apr 2021 #237

Claiming she was about to be gutted is not semantics. RegularJam Apr 2021 #241

Okay then. TheProle Apr 2021 #245

If the cop's bullets had hit the "young lady in pink," the apologists here would be describing her StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #239

DING! That's what the message would be under those circumstances. Bettie Apr 2021 #242

How are we going to move forward when so many view this as ok? RegularJam Apr 2021 #248

That's interesting because that's what people defending the girl doing the stabbing are doing. PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #259

I haven't seen anyone describe her as but an out-of-control junior thug" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #262

Nope, not one person here has said anything close to that. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #281

Bullshit StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #6

Yeah, no she was running away ... his yelling was enough to break up the fight ... Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #17

He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun. PSPS Apr 2021 #32

I'm sorry kcr Apr 2021 #36

They show a slow mo of the scene. Go watch it because no one had a hold on Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #113

You must have watched a different video, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #120

I have watched it kcr Apr 2021 #124

From what I saw on the video, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #127

That is what I saw, too (pic) kcr Apr 2021 #130

Good thing that cop was equipped with slow motion 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #173

I know, right? ShazzieB Apr 2021 #280

Are you fucking kidding me? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #284

Either wilfully blind kcr Apr 2021 #294

That's why I was very careful in my comment, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #295

In the freeze frame image in post no.130, the knife is not visible. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #323

Look at the picture in the OP. That is when the cop was shooting and the man was Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #134

What picture in the OP? kcr Apr 2021 #141

The girl was trying to stab another girl and had a knife...it is a sad situation...but I don't see Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #138

"why people don't usually use knives. Because they are totally inefficient at killing other people" EX500rider Apr 2021 #282

That is when someone overpowers someone else. Like a husband kills his wife. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #312

That's just plain wrong, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #316

"Tasers are not for deadly force situations" PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #37

That's what I interpreted, too pinkstarburst Apr 2021 #197

Why are you so quick to assume he had no other choice StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #201

LOL, for real? pinkstarburst Apr 2021 #204

And there you prove my point StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #205

Oh, FFS, what a right-wing spin. Jirel Apr 2021 #217

Neighbor's response on CNN -- Hoyt Apr 2021 #218

That statement shows your bias, and poor analysis. Jirel Apr 2021 #233

You aren't biased? First off, those two weren't "duking it out." Talking about "poor analysis." Hoyt Apr 2021 #240

Reminds me of Tamir Rice wryter2000 Apr 2021 #3

Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #7

I am sorry but she was going to stab that girl in the pink. boston bean Apr 2021 #186

You need to watch the video. The policeman saved the life of the other girl. Hoyt Apr 2021 #9

I watched the video StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #13

You can try to sell the idea kcr Apr 2021 #18

Of course not. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #183

You seem to be making an assumption here. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #283

Not really kcr Apr 2021 #298

And I'm saying that I DON'T KNOW if it was the best option. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #328

Not to mention how easily he might've hit the girl in Pink who was right there ... Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #19

He just started yelling and firing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #23

"who supposedly had a knife" - I admit I assume that the person with the knife... PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #29

"who supposedly had a knife" TwilightZone Apr 2021 #207

I'm starting kcr Apr 2021 #278

Well, let's ask the girl in pink who was a split second away from being killed. Hoyt Apr 2021 #20

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #21

Do you really think you couldn't have pulled that girl off? Because I know I could have. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #129

Sure you could have, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #131

But you most likely wouldn't be dead. What is the matter with everyone? Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #136

Yeah, no on ever dies from that kcr Apr 2021 #139

Sure thing, from 10 feet away with 0.5 seconds to react. She was in a stabbing Hoyt Apr 2021 #132

I Watched It, Sir, And Am Not Impressed The Magistrate Apr 2021 #30

Sorry, the girl was about to stab another girl. Watch the slowmo. Hoyt Apr 2021 #33

Having Told You Already That I Watched The Thing, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #38

Glad he rolled up, and I bet the young lady in pink is too. Hoyt Apr 2021 #42

The Situation As Described To the Dispatcher, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #56

The person with a knife - attempting to stab an UNARMED girl -- is aggressor, Sir. Hoyt Apr 2021 #60

Not Necessarily, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #65

Yeah, OK. Hoyt Apr 2021 #68

So, the cop should have just let her stab the girl in pink kcr Apr 2021 #77

Lady in pink was unarmed at that point for sure. Hoyt Apr 2021 #82

How It Began, What Transpired Prior To His Arrival The Magistrate Apr 2021 #94

She was about to stab that girl kcr Apr 2021 #96

You Are Running Well Ahead Of Available Information The Magistrate Apr 2021 #100

I'm running with what I saw on the video kcr Apr 2021 #106

Here is a screen capture Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #140

Because people in the middle of heated situations like this are likely StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #142

If a knife an inch away from actively being plunged into a body kcr Apr 2021 #144

"Shooting them is supposed to be a last resort." ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #158

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #164

I can understand that we are all sensitive to when a cop shoots a young black girl, but.. ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #165

"oh, I see the cops have arrived. I shall drop my knife and back off." EX500rider Apr 2021 #285

Not in the real world StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #290

Everybody especially POC know to drop a weapon when cops show up or bad things happen. EX500rider Apr 2021 #291

What a ridiculous comment StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #293

Yes anybody older than nine knows that EX500rider Apr 2021 #296

I don't think she was "lone against several others" Magistrate greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #69

I Agree More Information Is Needed For Final Judgement, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #87

No question greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #88

You're kidding right? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #157

No. MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #58

Ask the girl in pink what she thinks. Hoyt Apr 2021 #62

There are lots of excuses for it. And we're seeing a whole lot of them right here StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #64

Why don't you run that by the girl in pink who was about to be stabbed in the neck MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #67

Ok and what if the girl with the knofe was originally the victim? CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #255

Well, the officer knew someone called saying someone was trying to stab her. If it turns out Hoyt Apr 2021 #257

Ok so lets think about this. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #258

I agree things could have changed and if no one had a knife, the shooting would have been Hoyt Apr 2021 #261

It's a call about someone with a knife kcr Apr 2021 #277

He is supposed to stop and think period! CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #325

Thank you, as always, for your wisdom. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #40

Not impressed? kcr Apr 2021 #41

Very damning photo. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #43

Hey according to people here, policeman should have stood around to Hoyt Apr 2021 #44

What if she was defending herself ? isn't she the one that called the cops ? JI7 Apr 2021 #52

Just because you call the cops kcr Apr 2021 #55

And when the cops arrived, she should have dropped the knife MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #61

Funny how a 15-year-old girl obviously in serious distress should have had the presence of mind to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #73

Just go ahead and state that you think the girl in pink should have been stabbed... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #159

The girl she is trying to stab in this image isn't even involved in the scuffle when the cops arrive greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #81

If I remember I think she was holding a little dog kcr Apr 2021 #83

Oh my God, she is holding a little dog greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #85

Watch the video. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #116

If you "call for assistance against several others" that doesn't mean you can start chasing them PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #45

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #91

Tamil Rice wasn't tying to stab someone. Unlike the girl shot by the cop today. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #147

The cop who killed the poor kid (Rice) should have been charged with murder... Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #185

Not even close. Ace Rothstein Apr 2021 #177

It is nothing like Tamir Rice...he had a toy gun and didn't have a weapon nor was he attempting to Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #179

This story made me... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #5

The 2 people she tried to stab I'd guess felt they were in danger. PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #8

Literally thrusting a knife at her at 9:58 and onward in the OPs video greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #14

It only takes seconds to stab a person in the neck kcr Apr 2021 #11

This is not George Floyd, this is not walter scott. MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #12

Why did he fire 5 times StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #15

You haven't watched the video of the incident, or you wouldn't say that. Hoyt Apr 2021 #25

Agreed. MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #27

Gun wasn't out until he saw the girl go after the girl on the ground with the knife. MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #26

She had a knife and was attempting to stab a girl. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #180

So he needed to shoot her 5 times? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #184

He wanted to make sure she couldn't kill the other girl...maybe they don't assume all the Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #269

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #16

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #39

She had called police for help because she was being attacked StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #51

So the cop was just supposed to stand there and let her stab the girl in pink? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #54

There are numerous options between "Just standing there" and putting 5 bullets into someone StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #59

Here's the thing, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #63

The video IS very damning - in my view, it's very damning for the cop. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #70

I didn't say it was justified, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #74

And I think it appears to be unjustified. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #76

See, differences of opinions. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #79

It is not damning for the cop. You show a jury that video and they will acquit because the Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #192

Name those other options... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #160

What other options did the officer have? Pachamama Apr 2021 #166

What other options were there? He was no close enough to stop her from stabbing the girl. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #181

Where are you getting this notion that the dead girl is the one who called 911? Pachamama Apr 2021 #66

Her aunt said she had called AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #153

Her aunt also got her age wrong, so... greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #175

True AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #209

I'm bracketing all the early information - including who called the police - until there's greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #210

And what's with this guy kicking the first girl on the ground? What a punk. Captain Zero Apr 2021 #150

Maybe the girl with the knife was defending herself . Isn't she the one JI7 Apr 2021 #49

Yes. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #53

"whether she was trying to protect herself." From the girl holding a small dog? EX500rider Apr 2021 #288

Maybe she was, i don't know. But she's about to plunge the MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #57

There are plenty of options MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #78

These arguments assume that cops have absolutely no training at all except what they saw on Baretta StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #86

Gun culture is quite pervasive. MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #107

EVERYTHING doesn't look like a nail. Just darker objects StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #111

And apparently if you have a knife, everyone looks like they should be stabbed. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #115

I question his decision to shoot to kill, too. wnylib Apr 2021 #154

Training isn't the problem. They are well trained StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #189

THIS. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #300

Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #302

Usually people defending themselves don't go running w/ knife after multiple unarmed people Pachamama Apr 2021 #71

You know this, how? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #80

Running after someone with a knife is an attack and a threat - not defense Pachamama Apr 2021 #84

And you know that people being attacked don't ever try to attack back in the heat of the moment? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #90

You know nothing about the circumstances & are speculating that she was terrified Pachamama Apr 2021 #103

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #105

Why would she feel it necessary wnylib Apr 2021 #155

You think a hysterical 15-year-old in the middle of a very heated altercation StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #168

chasing someone with a knife who is running away is not defending yourself. This is Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #193

It is for many people in a panic situation. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #200

Someone in the process of trying to stab someone with a knife IS A DANGEROUS THREAT. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #215

I have thought that, too. But that was before wnylib Apr 2021 #223

Did you see the video? The "editing" was the bluring of the faces of the minors.... PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #228

I still need to hear from witnesses. wnylib Apr 2021 #230

Totally agree that cops view and treat Black people wnylib Apr 2021 #216

The person was running away...she could have run the other way...wasn't her aunt's Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #267

She was trying to stab an unarmed girl...so no. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #182

Please stop saying this, its so horrible that the standard for accountability has to be slow motion uponit7771 Apr 2021 #162

I agree. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #304

You don't speak for white people here on DU, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #305

Yes, I do speak only for myself. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #308

But the plain simple truth is that this is nothing like the George Floyd murder, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #313

"Most of America agreeing" does not determine whether a shooting is justified or not StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #315

You are correct, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #318

Wait until they are done exboyfil Apr 2021 #22

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #31

You can disagree with his response, but you can't say it was for no reason BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #34

The problem is that we consistently see different responses for Black people StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #35

Again, I agree Catherine Vincent Apr 2021 #46

In this case the girl with the knife needed to be "neutralized" at that moment. Hoyt Apr 2021 #48

Was she white? intrepidity Apr 2021 #47

She was trying to stab 2 black girls, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #50

One would think a single shot dweller Apr 2021 #75

Or maybe he would have missed with that one and the girl in pink Hoyt Apr 2021 #89

4-5 shots, "Blue Lives Matter" taunts ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #93

I did not see the Blue Lives Matter taunts, but if the policeman who shot the girl Hoyt Apr 2021 #97

His buddies did it. Taunted the witnesses as the girl still lay dead in the driveway. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #99

His buddies need to be fired immediately. Hoyt Apr 2021 #104

But in this case dweller Apr 2021 #98

For all we know at this point, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #101

that's a reach, as SWAT is not known as first responders to a knife fight dweller Apr 2021 #112

SWAT officers do routine patrol and answer calls also, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #117

Is still a reach dweller Apr 2021 #137

Sadly, I'm sorry that the young female is dead, but Dan Apr 2021 #92

Black girl trying to protect herself with a knife is immediately assumed to deserve to be shot dead StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #95

Armed girl against an UNARMED girl. Guess the policeman should have just smoked a Hoyt Apr 2021 #102

You're not bashing the cop who fired 5 shots into a 15-year-old but are bashing the girl StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #110

"when absolutely necessary" - like, for example, someone is about to stab someone else. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #119

He didn't even have 0.5 seconds to react. So far, I think he made right decision unless Hoyt Apr 2021 #126

I hope to hear the story of the girl-in-pink. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #121

That's a missing piece that we need answering. I do want a thorough investigation. Hoyt Apr 2021 #128

Unfortunately, we won't get to hear what the dead girl has to say StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #135

That would also be true if the lady in pink had been killed. Hoyt Apr 2021 #203

Girl-in-pink was also holding a small dog in her arms when she was attacked greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #253

Well, in the few seconds of footage I saw, Dan Apr 2021 #109

Or she could have been a completely hysterical and frightened kid who had been attacked StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #122

I agree with what you say, reference how she may have reacted or failed to react. Dan Apr 2021 #143

I hear you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #145

+1, why couldn't a taser be used when there were so many other people standing close? Oh wait uponit7771 Apr 2021 #163

"(T)rying to protect herself with a knife..." yagotme Apr 2021 #292

Columbus, Where? What State? Lots of states have a Columbus. Captain Zero Apr 2021 #146

If you were really that concerned about what state this happened in StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #149

thank you for sharing your prodigious internety skills. Captain Zero Apr 2021 #152

You're welcome StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #169

This is a close call. PatrickforB Apr 2021 #151

It's not tough at all. Calista241 Apr 2021 #212

Points well taken. Not all of these shootings are unjustified. PatrickforB Apr 2021 #214

Wow! A lot of experts here who know exactly what happened and what should have been done... TreasonousBastard Apr 2021 #156

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #167

Cops have done a great job convincing people we can't possibly live without them, and many people WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #170

And they have convinced people - white people, mostly - to bend over backwards to give StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #171

Yep -- they assume that in general, the system works and when it doesn't, it's a rare WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #172

Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #174

I'd zoom out farther, to the surprise of no one who watches for my posts -- they refuse to see the WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #176

She was a fright, hysterical Black child but the cop - and plenty of DUers - saw her as an assailant StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #187

The problem is that THIS incident HAS to be looked at "in a vacuum." Hortensis Apr 2021 #188

The justice system may not judge him in that context. But I will StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #190

I believe the problem with the system is people and that Hortensis Apr 2021 #196

And Keith Ellison thanked Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #251

Competent, principled, and goal directed. But that's his job. Hortensis Apr 2021 #260

So true!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #263

"The problem is that THIS incident HAS to be looked at 'in a vacuum.'" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #191

Justice is served by a legal system. We can't judge anyone based on other cases...the girl had Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #194

Justice looks different to a lot of people. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #195

Floyd was convicted...that is a BFD...a cop will rot in jail for killing an unarmed black man... Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #265

If it leads to no decrease in people dying, but more cops being incarcerated, is that justice? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #274

Well, this incident will be examined far more completely and Hortensis Apr 2021 #202

But another child will get to grow up...the video clearly shows she was in the process of Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #264

Yes for her. So far the experts I've heard speak to what Hortensis Apr 2021 #326

"Abolition now." EX500rider Apr 2021 #289

The reason those countries are the way they are is not for lack of police. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #297

It's certainly one of the main reasons they are lawless EX500rider Apr 2021 #299

It's not. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #301

I named three countries without functioning police departments EX500rider Apr 2021 #303

Not a one has tried it in the model of abolition that fills the absence of police with the presence WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #306

And just why do you think that is? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #307

There are no services that will eliminate all need for police EX500rider Apr 2021 #310

The vast majority of crime happens because people's needs aren't being met. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #311

And what needs aren't being met for serial killers or rapist EX500rider Apr 2021 #324

In the end, people are reponsible for their actions, of course. But when it comes to serial killers, WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #327

So as long as 100% of the population EX500rider Apr 2021 #330

Just a note: The cop pulls his gun after the 15-yr old swings her knife at a girl (in shorts). SYFROYH Apr 2021 #198

Spotlight's on the "George Floyd Justice in Policing Act." Hortensis Apr 2021 #199

Yeah, he should have just watched the shit go down and written a report about the murder Calista241 Apr 2021 #206

Yeah - because that was the only other alternative StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #208

What were the alternatives? In the time it would take to unholster the taser, for example, Vinca Apr 2021 #219

He had time to unholster his gun ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #220

Tasers are notoriously unreliable to start with which is a complaint of many police departments. Vinca Apr 2021 #222

So if he pulled the taser and used it and it didn't work, it would be possible that someone could StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #225

So I take it you don't care about the other girl? She's got a life to think about, too. Vinca Apr 2021 #227

Bullshit response StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #236

I give up. All I can say is if a person is about to stab you and the police show up they save your Vinca Apr 2021 #243

The cops showed up to protect the girl they shot StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #244

How was she defending herself? LisaL Apr 2021 #317

So obviously you think police should never shoot anyone, correct? USALiberal Apr 2021 #211

Slo-mo seems to show: struggle4progress Apr 2021 #213

You missed #4 viciously kicking #2 on the ground! greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #256

I am APPALLED at DUers defending the cop here. Jirel Apr 2021 #221

Thank you! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #224

"Gun already drawn, looking for action." - why are you lying about that? The cop doesn't draw PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #238

Why are YOU lying about that? Jirel Apr 2021 #252

Everyone should watch the video and decide if my claim that he didn't draw his gun until PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #254

It's 10 seconds kcr Apr 2021 #266

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #286

Very interesting! H2O Man Apr 2021 #247

What happens if he breaks it all up with a Baton by beating them apart ? bet that gal lives RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2021 #226

Mindless killing. RegularJam Apr 2021 #235

No, it's a justified shooting. She's half a second away from slicing the girl in the pink to ribbons Celerity Apr 2021 #268

How ridiculous StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #270

sorry, not this time, and my bona fides on coper violence against us PoC are impeccable Celerity Apr 2021 #271

This isn't about "attaching to a good vehicle" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #272

some will certainly try to use it as such nt Celerity Apr 2021 #273

So what? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #275

I simply said it was a deadly force situation, in which deadly force was used to stop that deadly Celerity Apr 2021 #276

Justified and right thing to do are two different things uponit7771 Apr 2021 #309

I think the legal standard (not the moral one) is was it justified or not. Celerity Apr 2021 #314

agreed, its just in the US we don't get the moral standard we get "Cause they could" standard uponit7771 Apr 2021 #319

I do agree that deadly force is far more likely to be used on PoC than whites, and that is a massive Celerity Apr 2021 #320

+1, I remember living on base in Germany and the Military Police didn't act a damn fool like uponit7771 Apr 2021 #322

On top of being a Combat Engineer, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #329

Mindless bullshit, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #287

I suppose it's a matter of perspective. Captain Stern Apr 2021 #246

There were many other options between shooting the girl four times and doing nothing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #249

I agree with the content of your post. Captain Stern Apr 2021 #250

The length of this thread reminds me of the knock down drag out fight MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #321

He may have saved the girl in the pink's life Polybius Apr 2021 #331

Problem with that is the bullet has to land somewhere, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #332

It's a sad situation all the way around. egduj Apr 2021 #333