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Dan

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143. I agree with what you say, reference how she may have reacted or failed to react.

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 01:53 AM

Apr 2021

But the sad truth in this situation, the Officer in question didn't have time. Yes, they are trained to deal with violence, people with emotional issues (we hope), and crimes of various types. But what we don't have control over is TIME. There are only so many seconds that a person in that situation has to time to react to. A knife cuts through the skin/muscle like a hot knife through butter - and he didn't have the luxury of waiting.

My heart bleeds for the family, and I wonder - what did the various people at that home do to defuse the situation, if any? The girl was probably hysterical but the Officer didn't have the luxury of time to discover and hope for her rational self to kick in. In some ways, he is a victim too.

But, I do share some of your thoughts and appreciate your concerns.

I know from experience, that Time does not slow down.

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In Columbus, a cop shot a 15-year-old girl 10 SECONDS after he arrived on the scene [View all] StarfishSaver Apr 2021 OP

It has to stop. H2O Man Apr 2021 #1

It's like the time cops drove up fast and killed the kid on swing set within a few seconds. TheBlackAdder Apr 2021 #148

Seems clear to me policeman saved life of other girl, from what I just saw. Hoyt Apr 2021 #2

That is exactly right. TheProle Apr 2021 #4

"The young lady in pink was going to be gutted" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #10

I realize you never believe a shooting is justified Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #24

No, Boo. I often think shootings are justified StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #28

No. You can fight back with a knife. And the parents could have fought to get Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #108

And if these were white kids, we wouldn't be swarmed with white people insisting that this scared StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #114

Exactly. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #118

Really? Do you think a "white kid" is incapable of stabbing someone? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #123

Of course not StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #125

But the parents were not fighting to get the girl with the knife off... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #161

"The cop saved that other kid's life." RegularJam Apr 2021 #232

Hyperbole is right. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #279

Exactly... HipChick Apr 2021 #72

You need to ask yourself why you need to float such hyperbole... RegularJam Apr 2021 #229

Where is the hyperbole? TheProle Apr 2021 #231

I put it in quotes to make it easy. RegularJam Apr 2021 #234

We can play semantic games all day TheProle Apr 2021 #237

Claiming she was about to be gutted is not semantics. RegularJam Apr 2021 #241

Okay then. TheProle Apr 2021 #245

If the cop's bullets had hit the "young lady in pink," the apologists here would be describing her StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #239

DING! That's what the message would be under those circumstances. Bettie Apr 2021 #242

How are we going to move forward when so many view this as ok? RegularJam Apr 2021 #248

That's interesting because that's what people defending the girl doing the stabbing are doing. PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #259

I haven't seen anyone describe her as but an out-of-control junior thug" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #262

Nope, not one person here has said anything close to that. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #281

Bullshit StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #6

Yeah, no she was running away ... his yelling was enough to break up the fight ... Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #17

He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun. PSPS Apr 2021 #32

I'm sorry kcr Apr 2021 #36

They show a slow mo of the scene. Go watch it because no one had a hold on Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #113

You must have watched a different video, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #120

I have watched it kcr Apr 2021 #124

From what I saw on the video, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #127

That is what I saw, too (pic) kcr Apr 2021 #130

Good thing that cop was equipped with slow motion 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #173

I know, right? ShazzieB Apr 2021 #280

Are you fucking kidding me? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #284

Either wilfully blind kcr Apr 2021 #294

That's why I was very careful in my comment, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #295

In the freeze frame image in post no.130, the knife is not visible. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #323

Look at the picture in the OP. That is when the cop was shooting and the man was Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #134

What picture in the OP? kcr Apr 2021 #141

The girl was trying to stab another girl and had a knife...it is a sad situation...but I don't see Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #138

"why people don't usually use knives. Because they are totally inefficient at killing other people" EX500rider Apr 2021 #282

That is when someone overpowers someone else. Like a husband kills his wife. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #312

That's just plain wrong, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #316

"Tasers are not for deadly force situations" PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #37

That's what I interpreted, too pinkstarburst Apr 2021 #197

Why are you so quick to assume he had no other choice StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #201

LOL, for real? pinkstarburst Apr 2021 #204

And there you prove my point StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #205

Oh, FFS, what a right-wing spin. Jirel Apr 2021 #217

Neighbor's response on CNN -- Hoyt Apr 2021 #218

That statement shows your bias, and poor analysis. Jirel Apr 2021 #233

You aren't biased? First off, those two weren't "duking it out." Talking about "poor analysis." Hoyt Apr 2021 #240

Reminds me of Tamir Rice wryter2000 Apr 2021 #3

Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #7

I am sorry but she was going to stab that girl in the pink. boston bean Apr 2021 #186

You need to watch the video. The policeman saved the life of the other girl. Hoyt Apr 2021 #9

I watched the video StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #13

You can try to sell the idea kcr Apr 2021 #18

Of course not. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #183

You seem to be making an assumption here. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #283

Not really kcr Apr 2021 #298

And I'm saying that I DON'T KNOW if it was the best option. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #328

Not to mention how easily he might've hit the girl in Pink who was right there ... Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #19

He just started yelling and firing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #23

"who supposedly had a knife" - I admit I assume that the person with the knife... PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #29

"who supposedly had a knife" TwilightZone Apr 2021 #207

I'm starting kcr Apr 2021 #278

Well, let's ask the girl in pink who was a split second away from being killed. Hoyt Apr 2021 #20

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #21

Do you really think you couldn't have pulled that girl off? Because I know I could have. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #129

Sure you could have, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #131

But you most likely wouldn't be dead. What is the matter with everyone? Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #136

Yeah, no on ever dies from that kcr Apr 2021 #139

Sure thing, from 10 feet away with 0.5 seconds to react. She was in a stabbing Hoyt Apr 2021 #132

I Watched It, Sir, And Am Not Impressed The Magistrate Apr 2021 #30

Sorry, the girl was about to stab another girl. Watch the slowmo. Hoyt Apr 2021 #33

Having Told You Already That I Watched The Thing, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #38

Glad he rolled up, and I bet the young lady in pink is too. Hoyt Apr 2021 #42

The Situation As Described To the Dispatcher, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #56

The person with a knife - attempting to stab an UNARMED girl -- is aggressor, Sir. Hoyt Apr 2021 #60

Not Necessarily, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #65

Yeah, OK. Hoyt Apr 2021 #68

So, the cop should have just let her stab the girl in pink kcr Apr 2021 #77

Lady in pink was unarmed at that point for sure. Hoyt Apr 2021 #82

How It Began, What Transpired Prior To His Arrival The Magistrate Apr 2021 #94

She was about to stab that girl kcr Apr 2021 #96

You Are Running Well Ahead Of Available Information The Magistrate Apr 2021 #100

I'm running with what I saw on the video kcr Apr 2021 #106

Here is a screen capture Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #140

Because people in the middle of heated situations like this are likely StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #142

If a knife an inch away from actively being plunged into a body kcr Apr 2021 #144

"Shooting them is supposed to be a last resort." ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #158

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #164

I can understand that we are all sensitive to when a cop shoots a young black girl, but.. ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #165

"oh, I see the cops have arrived. I shall drop my knife and back off." EX500rider Apr 2021 #285

Not in the real world StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #290

Everybody especially POC know to drop a weapon when cops show up or bad things happen. EX500rider Apr 2021 #291

What a ridiculous comment StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #293

Yes anybody older than nine knows that EX500rider Apr 2021 #296

I don't think she was "lone against several others" Magistrate greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #69

I Agree More Information Is Needed For Final Judgement, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #87

No question greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #88

You're kidding right? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #157

No. MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #58

Ask the girl in pink what she thinks. Hoyt Apr 2021 #62

There are lots of excuses for it. And we're seeing a whole lot of them right here StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #64

Why don't you run that by the girl in pink who was about to be stabbed in the neck MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #67

Ok and what if the girl with the knofe was originally the victim? CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #255

Well, the officer knew someone called saying someone was trying to stab her. If it turns out Hoyt Apr 2021 #257

Ok so lets think about this. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #258

I agree things could have changed and if no one had a knife, the shooting would have been Hoyt Apr 2021 #261

It's a call about someone with a knife kcr Apr 2021 #277

He is supposed to stop and think period! CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #325

Thank you, as always, for your wisdom. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #40

Not impressed? kcr Apr 2021 #41

Very damning photo. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #43

Hey according to people here, policeman should have stood around to Hoyt Apr 2021 #44

What if she was defending herself ? isn't she the one that called the cops ? JI7 Apr 2021 #52

Just because you call the cops kcr Apr 2021 #55

And when the cops arrived, she should have dropped the knife MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #61

Funny how a 15-year-old girl obviously in serious distress should have had the presence of mind to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #73

Just go ahead and state that you think the girl in pink should have been stabbed... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #159

The girl she is trying to stab in this image isn't even involved in the scuffle when the cops arrive greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #81

If I remember I think she was holding a little dog kcr Apr 2021 #83

Oh my God, she is holding a little dog greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #85

Watch the video. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #116

If you "call for assistance against several others" that doesn't mean you can start chasing them PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #45

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #91

Tamil Rice wasn't tying to stab someone. Unlike the girl shot by the cop today. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #147

The cop who killed the poor kid (Rice) should have been charged with murder... Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #185

Not even close. Ace Rothstein Apr 2021 #177

It is nothing like Tamir Rice...he had a toy gun and didn't have a weapon nor was he attempting to Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #179

This story made me... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #5

The 2 people she tried to stab I'd guess felt they were in danger. PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #8

Literally thrusting a knife at her at 9:58 and onward in the OPs video greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #14

It only takes seconds to stab a person in the neck kcr Apr 2021 #11

This is not George Floyd, this is not walter scott. MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #12

Why did he fire 5 times StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #15

You haven't watched the video of the incident, or you wouldn't say that. Hoyt Apr 2021 #25

Agreed. MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #27

Gun wasn't out until he saw the girl go after the girl on the ground with the knife. MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #26

She had a knife and was attempting to stab a girl. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #180

So he needed to shoot her 5 times? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #184

He wanted to make sure she couldn't kill the other girl...maybe they don't assume all the Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #269

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #16

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #39

She had called police for help because she was being attacked StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #51

So the cop was just supposed to stand there and let her stab the girl in pink? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #54

There are numerous options between "Just standing there" and putting 5 bullets into someone StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #59

Here's the thing, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #63

The video IS very damning - in my view, it's very damning for the cop. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #70

I didn't say it was justified, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #74

And I think it appears to be unjustified. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #76

See, differences of opinions. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #79

It is not damning for the cop. You show a jury that video and they will acquit because the Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #192

Name those other options... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #160

What other options did the officer have? Pachamama Apr 2021 #166

What other options were there? He was no close enough to stop her from stabbing the girl. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #181

Where are you getting this notion that the dead girl is the one who called 911? Pachamama Apr 2021 #66

Her aunt said she had called AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #153

Her aunt also got her age wrong, so... greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #175

True AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #209

I'm bracketing all the early information - including who called the police - until there's greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #210

And what's with this guy kicking the first girl on the ground? What a punk. Captain Zero Apr 2021 #150

Maybe the girl with the knife was defending herself . Isn't she the one JI7 Apr 2021 #49

Yes. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #53

"whether she was trying to protect herself." From the girl holding a small dog? EX500rider Apr 2021 #288

Maybe she was, i don't know. But she's about to plunge the MontanaFarmer Apr 2021 #57

There are plenty of options MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #78

These arguments assume that cops have absolutely no training at all except what they saw on Baretta StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #86

Gun culture is quite pervasive. MoonlitKnight Apr 2021 #107

EVERYTHING doesn't look like a nail. Just darker objects StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #111

And apparently if you have a knife, everyone looks like they should be stabbed. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #115

I question his decision to shoot to kill, too. wnylib Apr 2021 #154

Training isn't the problem. They are well trained StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #189

THIS. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #300

Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #302

Usually people defending themselves don't go running w/ knife after multiple unarmed people Pachamama Apr 2021 #71

You know this, how? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #80

Running after someone with a knife is an attack and a threat - not defense Pachamama Apr 2021 #84

And you know that people being attacked don't ever try to attack back in the heat of the moment? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #90

You know nothing about the circumstances & are speculating that she was terrified Pachamama Apr 2021 #103

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #105

Why would she feel it necessary wnylib Apr 2021 #155

You think a hysterical 15-year-old in the middle of a very heated altercation StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #168

chasing someone with a knife who is running away is not defending yourself. This is Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #193

It is for many people in a panic situation. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #200

Someone in the process of trying to stab someone with a knife IS A DANGEROUS THREAT. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #215

I have thought that, too. But that was before wnylib Apr 2021 #223

Did you see the video? The "editing" was the bluring of the faces of the minors.... PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #228

I still need to hear from witnesses. wnylib Apr 2021 #230

Totally agree that cops view and treat Black people wnylib Apr 2021 #216

The person was running away...she could have run the other way...wasn't her aunt's Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #267

She was trying to stab an unarmed girl...so no. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #182

Please stop saying this, its so horrible that the standard for accountability has to be slow motion uponit7771 Apr 2021 #162

I agree. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #304

You don't speak for white people here on DU, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #305

Yes, I do speak only for myself. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #308

But the plain simple truth is that this is nothing like the George Floyd murder, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #313

"Most of America agreeing" does not determine whether a shooting is justified or not StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #315

You are correct, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #318

Wait until they are done exboyfil Apr 2021 #22

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #31

You can disagree with his response, but you can't say it was for no reason BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #34

The problem is that we consistently see different responses for Black people StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #35

Again, I agree Catherine Vincent Apr 2021 #46

In this case the girl with the knife needed to be "neutralized" at that moment. Hoyt Apr 2021 #48

Was she white? intrepidity Apr 2021 #47

She was trying to stab 2 black girls, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #50

One would think a single shot dweller Apr 2021 #75

Or maybe he would have missed with that one and the girl in pink Hoyt Apr 2021 #89

4-5 shots, "Blue Lives Matter" taunts ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #93

I did not see the Blue Lives Matter taunts, but if the policeman who shot the girl Hoyt Apr 2021 #97

His buddies did it. Taunted the witnesses as the girl still lay dead in the driveway. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #99

His buddies need to be fired immediately. Hoyt Apr 2021 #104

But in this case dweller Apr 2021 #98

For all we know at this point, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #101

that's a reach, as SWAT is not known as first responders to a knife fight dweller Apr 2021 #112

SWAT officers do routine patrol and answer calls also, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #117

Is still a reach dweller Apr 2021 #137

Sadly, I'm sorry that the young female is dead, but Dan Apr 2021 #92

Black girl trying to protect herself with a knife is immediately assumed to deserve to be shot dead StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #95

Armed girl against an UNARMED girl. Guess the policeman should have just smoked a Hoyt Apr 2021 #102

You're not bashing the cop who fired 5 shots into a 15-year-old but are bashing the girl StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #110

"when absolutely necessary" - like, for example, someone is about to stab someone else. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #119

He didn't even have 0.5 seconds to react. So far, I think he made right decision unless Hoyt Apr 2021 #126

I hope to hear the story of the girl-in-pink. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #121

That's a missing piece that we need answering. I do want a thorough investigation. Hoyt Apr 2021 #128

Unfortunately, we won't get to hear what the dead girl has to say StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #135

That would also be true if the lady in pink had been killed. Hoyt Apr 2021 #203

Girl-in-pink was also holding a small dog in her arms when she was attacked greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #253

Well, in the few seconds of footage I saw, Dan Apr 2021 #109

Or she could have been a completely hysterical and frightened kid who had been attacked StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #122

I agree with what you say, reference how she may have reacted or failed to react. Dan Apr 2021 #143

I hear you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #145

+1, why couldn't a taser be used when there were so many other people standing close? Oh wait uponit7771 Apr 2021 #163

"(T)rying to protect herself with a knife..." yagotme Apr 2021 #292

Columbus, Where? What State? Lots of states have a Columbus. Captain Zero Apr 2021 #146

If you were really that concerned about what state this happened in StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #149

thank you for sharing your prodigious internety skills. Captain Zero Apr 2021 #152

You're welcome StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #169

This is a close call. PatrickforB Apr 2021 #151

It's not tough at all. Calista241 Apr 2021 #212

Points well taken. Not all of these shootings are unjustified. PatrickforB Apr 2021 #214

Wow! A lot of experts here who know exactly what happened and what should have been done... TreasonousBastard Apr 2021 #156

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2021 #167

Cops have done a great job convincing people we can't possibly live without them, and many people WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #170

And they have convinced people - white people, mostly - to bend over backwards to give StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #171

Yep -- they assume that in general, the system works and when it doesn't, it's a rare WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #172

Exactly StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #174

I'd zoom out farther, to the surprise of no one who watches for my posts -- they refuse to see the WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #176

She was a fright, hysterical Black child but the cop - and plenty of DUers - saw her as an assailant StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #187

The problem is that THIS incident HAS to be looked at "in a vacuum." Hortensis Apr 2021 #188

The justice system may not judge him in that context. But I will StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #190

I believe the problem with the system is people and that Hortensis Apr 2021 #196

And Keith Ellison thanked Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #251

Competent, principled, and goal directed. But that's his job. Hortensis Apr 2021 #260

So true!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #263

"The problem is that THIS incident HAS to be looked at 'in a vacuum.'" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #191

Justice is served by a legal system. We can't judge anyone based on other cases...the girl had Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #194

Justice looks different to a lot of people. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #195

Floyd was convicted...that is a BFD...a cop will rot in jail for killing an unarmed black man... Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #265

If it leads to no decrease in people dying, but more cops being incarcerated, is that justice? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #274

Well, this incident will be examined far more completely and Hortensis Apr 2021 #202

But another child will get to grow up...the video clearly shows she was in the process of Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #264

Yes for her. So far the experts I've heard speak to what Hortensis Apr 2021 #326

"Abolition now." EX500rider Apr 2021 #289

The reason those countries are the way they are is not for lack of police. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #297

It's certainly one of the main reasons they are lawless EX500rider Apr 2021 #299

It's not. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #301

I named three countries without functioning police departments EX500rider Apr 2021 #303

Not a one has tried it in the model of abolition that fills the absence of police with the presence WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #306

And just why do you think that is? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #307

There are no services that will eliminate all need for police EX500rider Apr 2021 #310

The vast majority of crime happens because people's needs aren't being met. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #311

And what needs aren't being met for serial killers or rapist EX500rider Apr 2021 #324

In the end, people are reponsible for their actions, of course. But when it comes to serial killers, WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #327

So as long as 100% of the population EX500rider Apr 2021 #330

Just a note: The cop pulls his gun after the 15-yr old swings her knife at a girl (in shorts). SYFROYH Apr 2021 #198

Spotlight's on the "George Floyd Justice in Policing Act." Hortensis Apr 2021 #199

Yeah, he should have just watched the shit go down and written a report about the murder Calista241 Apr 2021 #206

Yeah - because that was the only other alternative StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #208

What were the alternatives? In the time it would take to unholster the taser, for example, Vinca Apr 2021 #219

He had time to unholster his gun ... StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #220

Tasers are notoriously unreliable to start with which is a complaint of many police departments. Vinca Apr 2021 #222

So if he pulled the taser and used it and it didn't work, it would be possible that someone could StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #225

So I take it you don't care about the other girl? She's got a life to think about, too. Vinca Apr 2021 #227

Bullshit response StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #236

I give up. All I can say is if a person is about to stab you and the police show up they save your Vinca Apr 2021 #243

The cops showed up to protect the girl they shot StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #244

How was she defending herself? LisaL Apr 2021 #317

So obviously you think police should never shoot anyone, correct? USALiberal Apr 2021 #211

Slo-mo seems to show: struggle4progress Apr 2021 #213

You missed #4 viciously kicking #2 on the ground! greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #256

I am APPALLED at DUers defending the cop here. Jirel Apr 2021 #221

Thank you! StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #224

"Gun already drawn, looking for action." - why are you lying about that? The cop doesn't draw PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #238

Why are YOU lying about that? Jirel Apr 2021 #252

Everyone should watch the video and decide if my claim that he didn't draw his gun until PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #254

It's 10 seconds kcr Apr 2021 #266

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #286

Very interesting! H2O Man Apr 2021 #247

What happens if he breaks it all up with a Baton by beating them apart ? bet that gal lives RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2021 #226

Mindless killing. RegularJam Apr 2021 #235

No, it's a justified shooting. She's half a second away from slicing the girl in the pink to ribbons Celerity Apr 2021 #268

How ridiculous StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #270

sorry, not this time, and my bona fides on coper violence against us PoC are impeccable Celerity Apr 2021 #271

This isn't about "attaching to a good vehicle" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #272

some will certainly try to use it as such nt Celerity Apr 2021 #273

So what? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #275

I simply said it was a deadly force situation, in which deadly force was used to stop that deadly Celerity Apr 2021 #276

Justified and right thing to do are two different things uponit7771 Apr 2021 #309

I think the legal standard (not the moral one) is was it justified or not. Celerity Apr 2021 #314

agreed, its just in the US we don't get the moral standard we get "Cause they could" standard uponit7771 Apr 2021 #319

I do agree that deadly force is far more likely to be used on PoC than whites, and that is a massive Celerity Apr 2021 #320

+1, I remember living on base in Germany and the Military Police didn't act a damn fool like uponit7771 Apr 2021 #322

On top of being a Combat Engineer, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #329

Mindless bullshit, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #287

I suppose it's a matter of perspective. Captain Stern Apr 2021 #246

There were many other options between shooting the girl four times and doing nothing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #249

I agree with the content of your post. Captain Stern Apr 2021 #250

The length of this thread reminds me of the knock down drag out fight MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #321

He may have saved the girl in the pink's life Polybius Apr 2021 #331

Problem with that is the bullet has to land somewhere, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #332

It's a sad situation all the way around. egduj Apr 2021 #333