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greenjar_01

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40. The cop said that Ms. Bryant tried to stab the other girl

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:52 AM

Apr 2021

That is obviously true. She was thrusting a large knife, blade out, at another human being...and a dog! The girl was literally holding a small dog, which she dropped to go into a defensive posture.

So, he was correct. He made that statement immediately afterwards. So, he saw and correctly identified in real time what everyone else sees in (but you refuse to admit even with) obvious slo-mos and freeze frames.

You can play your little games with interpreting the video any way you'd like. Reasonable people agree on the fact that Ms. Bryant was thrusting a knife at another human being at the moment that she was shot. Now, reasonable people can disagree on what should have been done in that scenario - I am not myself sold on the idea that shooting was necessary - but to say that the cop wasn't making (and couldn't possibly have made!) a correct assessment - that Ms. Bryant was at the very least assaulting somebody with a deadly weapon, if not attempting a murder - is just silly.

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Are we really going to sit here and pretend there's no alternative to police gunning down teenager [View all] Soph0571 Apr 2021 OP

K&R, Americans are conditioned to believe Americans are so bad that we need to be gunned down uponit7771 Apr 2021 #1

You know? Soph0571 Apr 2021 #3

+1, it seems in the UK the police care about the relationship the LEOs have with the communities uponit7771 Apr 2021 #4

"perception" of threat? Watch the video; the girl is about to stab another person. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #11

When viewed in slow motion 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #22

The cop immediately stated that she tried to stab the other girl, and was correct in that greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #35

You didn't see it either 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #38

The cop said that Ms. Bryant tried to stab the other girl greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #40

You are investigating this incident? 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #48

It's in the video greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #52

The girl first swung the knife at another girl right in front of him. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #90

Thanks 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #107

I wasn't at the scene - Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #108

The five shots seems excessive questionseverything Apr 2021 #123

Wasn't the call about a person armed with a knife/possible attempted stabbing? [nt] Nexus2 Apr 2021 #109

Really? 2naSalit Apr 2021 #27

What is the other option here? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #42

Taser? 2naSalit Apr 2021 #50

Taser has one shot and doesn't always work, also it wasn't in his hand ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #51

Wow. 2naSalit Apr 2021 #53

It's true, he had no other options. ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #54

This is wrong, the current tasers have up to 3 shots in them uponit7771 Apr 2021 #79

She was on the other girl. She would have stabbed her before he could pull and taser her. marie999 Apr 2021 #87

What model taser did the cop have? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #112

***FALSE*** Current tasers have up to 3 shots uponit7771 Apr 2021 #78

Don Lemon and other CNN shows had a series of experts on that said a Taser was highly unlikely Celerity Apr 2021 #139

There are options. There are ways to disarm a knife wielding suspect Arazi Apr 2021 #72

Was the cop close enough to use wnylib Apr 2021 #110

Yeah, if someone is about to stab ME, I hope a cop would shoot them too. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #59

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #68

This is false, use a 3 shot taser uponit7771 Apr 2021 #80

A Taser dart doesnt deploy nearly as fast as a bullet. The likely result is a stabbed girl. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #114

Bullets are much, much faster and more accurate. Tasers are not accurate beyond about 10 feet. n/t pnwmom Apr 2021 #135

... and greater lethal force than an adequate stopping power of a taser. Like Maddow said ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #141

She could've been stopped with a taser, she's 15 and knowing she could've been stopped with uponit7771 Apr 2021 #77

Assuming the officer had a taser, a taser can't shoot its target nearly as quickly as a gun can. pnwmom Apr 2021 #136

Yes a taser can be discharged just as quickly as a gun the projectiles aren't as fast and ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #140

Plus I saw two other cops in the video. gldstwmn Apr 2021 #121

+1, I just read about that the other cops did not pull out a gun and get busy uponit7771 Apr 2021 #122

We need to study methodology in other countries bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #2

I am SO sick of this shit. 🤬 ShazzieB Apr 2021 #5

Looks like he saved the other girl Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #6

To reasonable objective folks, yes. To agenda driven ones, no way. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #60

Is it because half the country belives a gun is the answer to any and all sinkingfeeling Apr 2021 #7

People are willing to pay this price rather than try abolition. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #8

Amen. Sunsky Apr 2021 #9

Bullshit. The girl was in the process of STABBING someone. There's ZERO time for anything else. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #10

Since people think it is important to bring up what a Chicago 13-year-old AZProgressive Apr 2021 #12

So, it was a kid trying to save her own life from her tormentors.... jaxexpat Apr 2021 #13

May just need to borrow this quote, if you don't mind? Karma13612 Apr 2021 #20

Thanks. Those of us who presume to overcome few challenges fulfilling our desires cannot know. jaxexpat Apr 2021 #58

Wow! Karma13612 Apr 2021 #143

If she was scared for her life, why was she running at the other girl? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #44

We'll see what comes out of the call investigation, oldsoftie Apr 2021 #15

Because a frightened teenager is supposed to know the exact correct way to call for help StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #29

No one is saying the police shouldn't have stopped the stabbing. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2021 #49

Cops get the benefit of the doubt and who are we to second guess them? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #56

But but but but... she wasn't robotically rational in a high-stress, fight-for-flight situation! Act_of_Reparation Apr 2021 #100

Yup. The guys with the gun can go all Barney Fife because they're scared StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #101

But there is also a Black girl (the one in pink) who might be still alive today pnwmom Apr 2021 #138

What happened before police showed up or before the camera started recording StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #16

Exactly Sunsky Apr 2021 #17

Only white men can stand their ground StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #30

I assume that's a rhetorical question StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #14

What would have happened if Karma13612 Apr 2021 #18

"the ONLY avenue cops use is lethal force" ... when dealing with Black and Brown people StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21

Indeed. And sad.....eom Karma13612 Apr 2021 #23

Right? It seems to be the only "tool" Bettie Apr 2021 #55

She was about to either kill Roc2020 Apr 2021 #19

The issue is not whether the cop should have taken action to protect the people there StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #25

List the other options please. ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #45

One that i can think of is ONE SHOT. bluestarone Apr 2021 #106

So the shooting is justified if it is only one bullet? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #111

Just saying ONE SHOT STOPPED the attack! bluestarone Apr 2021 #113

Do you have a link to a video of the whole thing, that doesn't cut out when she is shot? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #116

NO. BUT bluestarone Apr 2021 #117

I am certain he could have missed, it's a quick moving situation ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #118

That he is a lousy shot isn't a good defense questionseverything Apr 2021 #124

Any shots questionable? She was committing a murder! ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #132

Could not have missed?!? Have you ever trained with a handgun? GulfCoast66 Apr 2021 #126

One shot In her butt or legs would have done the job womanofthehills Apr 2021 #129

Shooting her in the butt or leg would stop her arm? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #133

So shoot her in the leg. Police are trained how to aim, right? TheRickles Apr 2021 #34

Wait for it...police are trained to shoot for the biggest body mass, They can't aim. etc. etc. etc. Tommymac Apr 2021 #37

How does shooting her leg stop her arm from thrusting her knife? ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #46

OMG another movie buff. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #62

He should have shot the knife out of her hands! FSogol Apr 2021 #66

You've been watching to many movies, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #67

Police in other countries routinely deal with knives. Tommymac Apr 2021 #36

The girl in pink who was on the verge of being stabbed was also Black. pnwmom Apr 2021 #137

Strawman argument. Please do better. Tommymac Apr 2021 #142

Please explain. The life of the girl in pink was clearly at risk. This is not a straw man. pnwmom Apr 2021 #144

Policing is going to have to change madville Apr 2021 #24

a bullet to the leg would have stopped it i think :( samnsara Apr 2021 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Chakaconcarne Apr 2021 #28

Badjacketing is a shit move, and don't worry, plenty of us don't like the cops already. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #31

Poor, misunderstood cops StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #32

Whomst could expect them to act differently, knowing what animosity lies in the human heart? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #33

This has to, stop. wendyb-NC Apr 2021 #39

She was in the actual act of murdering someone else... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #41

I have not read one post that gives a meaningful way the officer could have reacted to the situation marie999 Apr 2021 #43

Starfish Saver swears the cop had options, but doesn't ever tell us what they are... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #47

See post #50. nt Wednesdays Apr 2021 #63

NOT an option in this case. Girl in pink would've been stabbed by the time the TAser deployed. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #69

Neighborhood eyewitnesses reported that the girl had a knife and tried to stab the other girl JT45242 Apr 2021 #57

I know they're "kids" but have you seen the size of these "kids"? JuJuChen Apr 2021 #61

Black children and teens are routinely seen as larger and older than they actually are, WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #64

She was larger then the girl in pink along with having a knife Raine Apr 2021 #128

Abolition now. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #65

I'm afraid that outrage over this kcr Apr 2021 #70

What does this mean? The verdict is in; it can't be "set back." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #74

DU doesn't have that kind of pull and the cop could've used a multi shot taser uponit7771 Apr 2021 #81

Tazers are torture devices overused by police to enforce compliance kcr Apr 2021 #83

So being plugged 5 times isn't torture and tasers have a greater chance of full stop than uponit7771 Apr 2021 #88

Tasers have contributed heavily to the problem kcr Apr 2021 #95

How does a discussion on an online discussion board "set back" a verdict? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #85

How is it that we're the only ones talking about it? kcr Apr 2021 #86

DU is fairly woke information wise uponit7771 Apr 2021 #94

Only DU. Nowhere else kcr Apr 2021 #97

right ?! some of this smells like FUD uponit7771 Apr 2021 #91

White folk love telling black folk we need to be quiet so we don't mess things up StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #93

lol, like if don't whisper & shit the cops gonna shoot everyone and Biden is going to turn on BLM uponit7771 Apr 2021 #96

There are many, many training courses on disarming a knife wielding suspect Arazi Apr 2021 #71

And there's a difference between... brooklynite Apr 2021 #73

Unarmed police around the world de-escalate without killing suspects EVERY DAY Arazi Apr 2021 #75

When they are actively using the knife kcr Apr 2021 #76

I'll never understand the mentality that believes "shot dead" is a cop's only choice Arazi Apr 2021 #82

It's not the only choice kcr Apr 2021 #84

There are such courses sarisataka Apr 2021 #89

I'd be sad and horrified but that's a hypothetical Arazi Apr 2021 #92

Everything we are discussing is hypothetical sarisataka Apr 2021 #98

You're assuming the other girl would have been stabbed to death Arazi Apr 2021 #104

I'll stand by you 100% sarisataka Apr 2021 #105

"lethal force justified for about anything" when discussing a girl with knife in motion of a stab. LizBeth Apr 2021 #99

Global data shows that is is absolute rubbish malaise Apr 2021 #102

Global data shows that is is absolute rubbish malaise Apr 2021 #103

And by "pretending" you mean "having a different opinion than you do"? brooklynite Apr 2021 #115

Some are apparently ibegurpard Apr 2021 #119

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #120

There are some, right here on DU, who are doing exactly that. Stinky The Clown Apr 2021 #125

which is the view of most everyone Kaleva Apr 2021 #130

Shoot her four times in the chest! It was the best he could do! jcgoldie Apr 2021 #127

As to why five shots were fired: Decoy of Fenris Apr 2021 #131

She didn't just have a knife in her hand. She was gripping a knife as she lunged toward a girl pnwmom Apr 2021 #134