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In reply to the discussion: "Reform police" progress toward justice. "Abolish police" anarchy. ( They have more guns ) nt [View all]WhiskeyGrinder
(26,990 posts)30. If you're asking about murder in an abolitionist system you've got to play along in good faith.
It's not just about the absence of the cops. It's about the presence of systems that meet individuals' and the community's needs *before* crimes happens. Crime isn't random; in the vast majority of cases, it happens because people's needs aren't being met. When it comes to murder, it's a rare serial killer who didn't have an ugly childhood or untreated injury before they started their spree. When it comes to IPV resulting in murder, we often find generational trauma is the culprit. Poverty, poor mental health, deprived communities and other issues are all ways we can get *ahead* of these problems, instead of pouring money into a violent system that neither prevents murders nor rehabilitates murderers.
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"Reform police" progress toward justice. "Abolish police" anarchy. ( They have more guns ) nt [View all]
Atticus
Apr 2021
OP
Oath Keepers, white mass shooters, Michigan Wolverines, your average Trumpster, etc.
Kaleva
Apr 2021
#7
The usual "they"---the Trumpies in general, the Oath Keepers and 3-Percenters and
Atticus
Apr 2021
#2
I will not tell you what it is like to be a person of color. Please don't tell me what it is like
Atticus
Apr 2021
#12
I have no idea how you read my post and came up with those "interpretations". Reminds me of
Atticus
Apr 2021
#24
Great post. I think shifting from the "warrior" concept to that of "guardian" would be very
Atticus
Apr 2021
#5
No, and I hope that's not how it comes across. It's why I used quotation marks.
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#10
If you're asking about murder in an abolitionist system you've got to play along in good faith.
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#30
Truly, I don't know what kind of answer you're looking for. If it's one that convinces you
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#33
We actually have pretty good ideas about what causes violent crimes, and much of it is preventable.
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#35
But there are many, many people who have those traits who don't become serial killers.
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#38
Disagree, it has to start with impunity. Chauvin had the right training and threw his body cam off
uponit7771
Apr 2021
#13
I don't believe true police change -- something that's more than reform, which got us the murder
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2021
#45