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Phoenix61

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34. "Some kind of system" Haven't really thought through the details.

Reply to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #33)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 11:38 AM

Apr 2021

The idea that violent crime is all due to environment goes against everything we know about the human species.

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"Reform police" progress toward justice. "Abolish police" anarchy. ( They have more guns ) nt [View all] Atticus Apr 2021 OP

Who has more guns? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #1

Oath Keepers, white mass shooters, Michigan Wolverines, your average Trumpster, etc. Kaleva Apr 2021 #7

I have some very bad news for you about the cops. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #8

What are you doing about it then? Kaleva Apr 2021 #23

Working for abolition. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #25

How? Kaleva Apr 2021 #26

. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #32

The usual "they"---the Trumpies in general, the Oath Keepers and 3-Percenters and Atticus Apr 2021 #2

Do you believe it's the cops that keep you safe from "them"? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #4

I will not tell you what it is like to be a person of color. Please don't tell me what it is like Atticus Apr 2021 #12

. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #18

I have no idea how you read my post and came up with those "interpretations". Reminds me of Atticus Apr 2021 #24

It has to start with the training. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #3

Great post. I think shifting from the "warrior" concept to that of "guardian" would be very Atticus Apr 2021 #5

. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #6

If you think the current training produces Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #9

No, and I hope that's not how it comes across. It's why I used quotation marks. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #10

So what's your definition of a "successful police officer"? nt Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #11

I don't have one. I think the whole system should be abolished. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #14

What happens when someone murders someone? nt Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #16

somebody would be dead. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #19

So, you're OK with a dead or injured girl? TwilightZone Apr 2021 #22

They executed a child. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #27

What happens now when someone murders someone? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #20

Nope, one question at a time. What happens Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #21

Somebody dies. /nt tonedevil Apr 2021 #28

If you're asking about murder in an abolitionist system you've got to play along in good faith. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #30

That's not an answer to the question. If you don't have one that's ok.nt Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #31

Truly, I don't know what kind of answer you're looking for. If it's one that convinces you WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #33

"Some kind of system" Haven't really thought through the details. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #34

We actually have pretty good ideas about what causes violent crimes, and much of it is preventable. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #35

Serial killers are the poster children for antisocial personality disorder. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #36

But there are many, many people who have those traits who don't become serial killers. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #38

Based on what you've shared eliminating cops Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #40

Eliminating cops eliminates the violence they bring. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #41

Disagree, it has to start with impunity. Chauvin had the right training and threw his body cam off uponit7771 Apr 2021 #13

I don't think you mean what you posted. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #15

The institution of 'police' needs to be abolished and replaced. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #17

I have no idea what you're on about. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #29

Some on this board are calling for it. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #44

It is a fine goal. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #46

Be wary of those who keep shouting "abolish the police". Fix The Stupid Apr 2021 #37

. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #42

About what I expected... Fix The Stupid Apr 2021 #43

I don't believe true police change -- something that's more than reform, which got us the murder WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #45

"abolish the police" BGBD Apr 2021 #39