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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
18. Your point is critical and I believe 100% true
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 03:18 PM
Apr 2021

Where we may disagree in this instance is that I believe in this case, by any standard, there was a more objective "imminent threat" than exists for the vast majority of police actions involving use of force. Someone in the kinetic act of lunging with a knife can not be deescalated. I do, in this case, belief that a decent police officer of any race would likely have acted similarly against an aggressor of any race in that split second.

Having said that up front I want to support and underscore the importance of your core observation. The hard core racist "bad apple" worst of the worst cops will use force simply because they can and want to, and then retroactively (falsely) claim that they thought there was some "imminent threat" that justified their actions. Far more frequently, I think, are cases where white cops project their fears and prejudices onto black males, building them up to menacing proportions in their mind and then acting upon their projected fear as though it were objective reality. In other words, they may actually emotionally experience an "imminent threat" that in fact is neither imminent nor a threat. And you are right, "a few hours of training at the Academy won't fix that."

She has guts to make that statement. Hoyt Apr 2021 #1
This is not the case to die on. Just as in the Chauvin case, the video speaks for itself. brush Apr 2021 #17
How so? Most of the people who have seen the video are expressing similar sentiments. Jose Garcia Apr 2021 #21
Guts and correct Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #2
that's a pretty broad assumption for someone with 'limited information' bigtree Apr 2021 #3
She qualified it twice karynnj Apr 2021 #9
should be impetus to look closer at rules of engagement bigtree Apr 2021 #14
Rules of engagement, yes. Straw Man Apr 2021 #25
What's the age cut-off then? 12 yrs old like Tamir Rice? 13 yrs like Tyre King? Arazi Apr 2021 #26
No Cut-Off DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #31
Playing with toys? Straw Man Apr 2021 #39
someone prone to making excuses like that shouldn't be a policeman bigtree Apr 2021 #27
Facts and Reasons can be used as an Excuse. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #32
Sad, but likely true DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #43
Not comfortable DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #30
If only a few people see a left right point DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #29
I agree, he was trained to shoot when he saw justified to do so. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #4
she is correct jonstl08 Apr 2021 #5
Your last sentence - That's the problem, isn't it? wnylib Apr 2021 #6
Problem is, yagotme Apr 2021 #46
I saw the same video. She was not assaulting the girl wnylib Apr 2021 #51
From the moment the first officer arrived, to the shooting, yagotme Apr 2021 #53
He likely DID do what he was trained to do StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #7
Your point is critical and I believe 100% true Tom Rinaldo Apr 2021 #18
We are in total agreement StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #20
Yes a person in the act can be stopped, tasers work and are less lethal than a gun uponit7771 Apr 2021 #23
Yeah, but tasers are very inaccurate to aim. GulfCoast66 Apr 2021 #28
He didn't pull the gun because the lady was about to get stabbed DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #36
He pulled the gun after the first female was knocked to the ground, yagotme Apr 2021 #47
The officer actually drew his gun because of the attack of the girl on the ground DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #50
Some is eye, some is training. yagotme Apr 2021 #52
No choice at the last moment DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #34
Not as reliably. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #35
The fact that he had to put 4 bullets in the 15 yr old girl lets me know bullets aren't 100% either uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40
911 Call DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #42
+1, that changes my opinion of the scene if I could know what the officer was told. He grabbed his.. uponit7771 Apr 2021 #45
Yes. One shot from a gun is not reliable enough TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #41
Adding To Your Concern ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #19
Wow cops don't even make the top 10 most dangerous uponit7771 Apr 2021 #24
It's in the moment. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #37
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #22
Bias DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #33
"split-second decisions". Rep. Demmings knows, and tells it like it is. nt oasis Apr 2021 #8
I agee nt Beakybird Apr 2021 #10
+1 canetoad Apr 2021 #38
Agreed. Cops are trained to use the most lethal methods instead of de-escalation Arazi Apr 2021 #11
Their training is that lethal force is met with lethal force ripcord Apr 2021 #12
This statement definitely opens things to interpretation. See below: bullwinkle428 Apr 2021 #13
Val Demings has the experience and knows what she's talking about. Treefrog Apr 2021 #15
I'm very glad to see this. We could be in big trouble if the pendulum swings too far the other way. LAS14 Apr 2021 #16
A cop defends another cop and cop training? Huh. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #44
I agree with her. If the other person had died of a stab wound, the cop would have been taken Vinca Apr 2021 #48
I agree with Demings BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #49
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