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Ms. Toad

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21. The initial tests (prior to emergency approval) were 100%.

Mon Apr 26, 2021, 05:00 PM

Apr 2021

More recent data indicates it is not 100%.

Frankly, it's another disagreement I have with public health pronouncements about COVID. They shouldn't have claimed it in the first place - once you make a claim it is hard to walk it back - and it makes people skeptical of anything they say later. But that was the claim before real life data came in - so now they are having to walk back another claim that was made, at least in part, to overcome resistance to vaccination (or mask wearing, in the past). Hope it doesn't backfire here, as it did with the mask backlash..

Here's a report on the more recent data. (The best report is behind a paywall)

https://www.businessinsider.com/infected-after-covid-vaccination-cdc-numbers-breakthrough-infections-2021-4

Looks to me like the death rate in breakthrough cases (1,3%) is only a bit lower than the death rate for anyone else who gets COVID (roughly 1.8% - calculated by dividing US deaths/US cases). That's about what I would have expected. It's just that the vaccine means 95% or so of people exposed don't get COVID 19.

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I can't wait till this Covid-19 vaccine, Covaxin, comes to the US. This is what I'm waiting for. [View all] peoli Apr 2021 OP

You may have to wait longer, India is going to need all of the help they can get now w/ the SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #1

This company has applied for EUA and is planning to sell 200 million doses in the US this year peoli Apr 2021 #4

EUA? Emerg. Use Authorization I am guessing? Thanks for the heads up. NT SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #7

Yes, emergency use authorization peoli Apr 2021 #9

I might have made a mistake...I think EUA can begin tomorrow peoli Apr 2021 #63

No sweat. Eventually it'll make its way here, just a matter of time I suspect. Take care! SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #64

FDA don't normally like to approve vaccines that haven't had clinical trials in the US. LisaL Apr 2021 #27

So they want to sell to other countries instead of making sure their population JI7 Apr 2021 #43

+1000. The plan to sell here must have come before the sudden explosion Hortensis Apr 2021 #12

Amen! This is a huge contribution and a credit to India's medical field. I certainly hope that SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #14

Their scientists have always been good. The problem is corrupt govt and ignorant masses JI7 Apr 2021 #44

"Covaxin works by teaching the immune system to make antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus" RockRaven Apr 2021 #2

I'm glad you've done your research peoli Apr 2021 #5

Covaxin is a traditional inactivated virus vaccine. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #8

thx !! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #15

The current mRNA vaccines have a very narrow specific focus - the spike protein womanofthehills Apr 2021 #17

Israel also has dramatically reduced numbers of infections LisaL Apr 2021 #29

With my allergies, I would prefer to wait for a more traditional vaccine with more protection from womanofthehills Apr 2021 #32

Like I said, it might never be approved in the US. LisaL Apr 2021 #36

All vaccines are exciting and valuable. Efficacy 78% against infection, Hortensis Apr 2021 #3

They aren't 100% against severe disease. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #10

I read the wrong source apparently, though quite recent and Hortensis Apr 2021 #13

The initial tests (prior to emergency approval) were 100%. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #21

Ah, thanks. I'd read that a very good body of data had been Hortensis Apr 2021 #38

Yes. 75 million vaccinated, 0.008% got infected and less than one in one million died. TraceNC Apr 2021 #16

Without more detail, it is not clear what that comment means. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #23

Also didn't mention that only 396 of the 5,800 were hospitalized. TraceNC Apr 2021 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author TraceNC Apr 2021 #31

Same number in my post. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #33

Just correcting my number from above. It's 0.006%. TraceNC Apr 2021 #35

We just had a "break-through" reported in the suburban Philly area today BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 #42

What type of person gets COVID after being fully Vaccinated. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #39

I doubt if there is enough data to be meaningful - Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #40

Timing of up to 14 days DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #41

That very well could be it. TraceNC Apr 2021 #45

That's true DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #47

Pretty disappointing to see the doubt being fueled on DU. TraceNC Apr 2021 #55

Nope. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #48

Catch the VIRUS 2 weeks before they test Positive on the first Fully Vaccinated date. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #51

Most people are positive within 5 days of exposure - Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #52

depends what the vax was, and what the 2nd type of COVID was. The AstraZeneca vax is only 10.4% Celerity Apr 2021 #58

Where did you find that about the deaths? The last thing I'd seen from the CDC pnwmom Apr 2021 #54

They haven't found any caused by the vaccine. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #57

This is a traditional vaccine - Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #6

Waiting for something you think may be better Disaffected Apr 2021 #11

Not a mistake if you are very careful and live way out in the country where I do womanofthehills Apr 2021 #20

It might never be approved in the US. LisaL Apr 2021 #28

From an Israeli study of last week womanofthehills Apr 2021 #34

Yes, vaccines are less efficient against variants. Which doesn't mean they don't LisaL Apr 2021 #37

I wasn't willing to wait dsc Apr 2021 #26

Covid won't wait. Consider what's available sooner. TraceNC Apr 2021 #18

"Perfection is the enemy of progress." -Winston Churchill. N/T Bantamfancier Apr 2021 #19

+1000 roamer65 Apr 2021 #22

That's how all vaccines work. It's just that the current ones use more advanced technology, Crunchy Frog Apr 2021 #24

Why? LisaL Apr 2021 #25

Can you get I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2021 #46

No. You can't get covaxin because it's not approved in the US. LisaL Apr 2021 #50

I ain't waitin' for shit. Iggo Apr 2021 #49

Thank you! shanti Apr 2021 #53

Good for you peoli Apr 2021 #60

...and everyone around me. Iggo Apr 2021 #62

Interesting. One dose or two? nt ecstatic Apr 2021 #56

Everyone always thinks they have some special insight no one else has. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #59

Is that what everyone always thinks? peoli Apr 2021 #61