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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
226. You're equating Bell expressing his opinion about DTP with what Fox, et al, do?
Sun May 2, 2021, 03:19 PM
May 2021

The OP was already out there. But y'all have jumped the shark in this thread.

Not a fan of his. Treefrog May 2021 #1
Ok, but what do you feel about what the OP is about? brush May 2021 #5
I think he's wrong on this too. Treefrog May 2021 #209
I never had an opinion on him but after seeing his work here locally misanthrope May 2021 #13
"Defund the Police" Was A Gift to Republicans. It Cost Us Close House Elections That We Won in 2018. Indykatie May 2021 #2
Yes. That dumb phrase took off and it hurt us. brush May 2021 #4
Do you have any polling showing it cost us? Not polling of DTP popularity but polling that voters uponit7771 May 2021 #15
Come on...it hurt us. When people insist on polls, usually they know the truth. It hurts us Demsrule86 May 2021 #21
Facts matter, people get impressions that are wrong. For instance, slavery is still ... uponit7771 May 2021 #25
"due to bad campaigning not a slogan" hurl May 2021 #134
I'd agree with the 2nd sentence ... IF... the candidate ascribed to the slogan but few to no one uponit7771 May 2021 #136
Counter-attacks won't matter hurl May 2021 #137
Ask Trump if they work, if in kind and with merritt counters do work if the lie is caught quickly uponit7771 May 2021 #138
You are defending a campaign/policy slogan ... Whiskeytide May 2021 #152
Not defending the slogan, my position is 1. there's no exit polling or close to proof that it was uponit7771 May 2021 #155
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #162
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position and even you agree that allowing reps to define ... uponit7771 May 2021 #168
That's all great advice, and I agree with your premise. But the slogan is still ... Whiskeytide May 2021 #289
What district do you live in? How did defund resonate there? caber09 May 2021 #161
Agreed, I don't need a study to know jumping off a roof is bad for me Amishman May 2021 #30
True, but to show it was a gating factor no one has done with anything empirical. One poster ... uponit7771 May 2021 #108
Stop denying what happened, you look foolish caber09 May 2021 #163
Accepting only anecdotes when hard evidence could be available is what's foolish uponit7771 May 2021 #180
Here's an article stating that polling shows it very much affected us. FlyingPiggy May 2021 #32
I thought this was common knowledge by now. nt Kahuna May 2021 #45
I think there are some who refuse to believe the power of wording FlyingPiggy May 2021 #62
It's knowledge.. it happened.. But some Cha May 2021 #72
Good article LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #54
... lapucelle May 2021 #185
Not an exit poll or anything close to it, got anything post election saying people didn't vote uponit7771 May 2021 #104
I'm old enough to recall myriad times republicans have turned Dem slogans against us bigtree May 2021 #201
+1000 StarfishSaver May 2021 #208
That is exactly what RW smear machine does. They attack everything. FlyingPiggy May 2021 #221
we 'help' them when we wring our hands and scold, instead of fighting back bigtree May 2021 #255
No one is scolding. They're saying the obvious that the wording FlyingPiggy May 2021 #257
all I can hear: bigtree May 2021 #261
A key excerpt from that article, in answer to those repeatedly saying "show us the polls...." George II May 2021 #218
Read the material posted on other threads LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #52
None of that is exit polling data etc. answer the question about the Biden and Beef for me uponit7771 May 2021 #53
Again you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #55
Those aren't exit polls or post polling data, "These ads were effective" is an opinion not ... uponit7771 May 2021 #57
You really do not tire of being wrong? It is amusing LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #59
Do you understand what exit / post vote polling data is? thx in advance uponit7771 May 2021 #60
How 'Defund the Police' Roiled Competitive Races in New York LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #65
The article pins a lot of blame... tonedevil May 2021 #70
+1, the article is also very jaded seeing there was no national movement to dtp and few to no uponit7771 May 2021 #113
No. But clearly messaging is important. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #173
Who do you think started the riots? tonedevil May 2021 #177
In Kenosha? Probably local residents. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #244
That just tells who got arrested... tonedevil May 2021 #249
You asked the question. I answered it as best I could. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #252
I'm not disputing you... tonedevil May 2021 #254
Sigh, still no exit polling or anything like it... I'm done ...If you can't find the data no one can uponit7771 May 2021 #109
Do you tire of being wrong LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #114
Posting an article falsely claiming there was a nationwide move to defund the police is false ... uponit7771 May 2021 #115
You are not telling the truth LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #117
'Defund the Police' Backfired on Democrats LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #68
It doesn't matter how much anyone denies Cha May 2021 #76
This post gets my Rec. Thanks. Hekate May 2021 #78
Oh please with this. You're not the first one to try this weak argument here. brush May 2021 #69
I was kinda surprised too.. but Cha May 2021 #80
Hey, Cha. Good to hear from you. And you're right, not much surprises nowadays. brush May 2021 #86
You too, brush.. it's so frustrating to Cha May 2021 #97
No credible exit polls exist for dtp and not one has been shown so far. If dtp was such a gating ... uponit7771 May 2021 #106
Please! Other posters have sent you links proving dtp had a disastrous... brush May 2021 #118
They weren't exit polls or anything like it, please don't jump on band wagons without knowing why uponit7771 May 2021 #133
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #87
There was no movement across the country to defund the police as this polls says this attempt uponit7771 May 2021 #103
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #164
Calling people stupid, foolish and telling them to shut up is probably not going to help StarfishSaver May 2021 #165
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #167
Sounds like you're having a pretty bad night. StarfishSaver May 2021 #169
Well yeah, you're right we should allow reps to define us first and falsely that worked great 🙄 uponit7771 May 2021 #171
When the Cooperative Congressional Election Study 2020 Data Guide is released lapucelle May 2021 #184
Please stop denying the obvious.. caber09 May 2021 #160
Anecdotes are not data uponit7771 May 2021 #172
Yes absolutely. Owl May 2021 #58
Yep. And this is what is being referred to as 'wokeness' redqueen May 2021 #276
This message was self-deleted by its author brush May 2021 #3
Stupid beyond belief oswaldactedalone May 2021 #6
Remake, Reshape, Reinvent, Transform, De-Militarise, Re-control, Refashion, Celerity May 2021 #12
None of that works...that will still be protrayed as defunding the police. We need to reform the Demsrule86 May 2021 #23
some of those terms are not loaded and are not the same old tired ass 'reform' bollocks that has Celerity May 2021 #24
Reform is a process and that is what is needed...not reforming police departments exactly. Demsrule86 May 2021 #27
I taked about nothing other than better branding so I do not know what you mean by this: Celerity May 2021 #29
What you say makes sense but, sorry, "reform" is played. It's tired as it's been slung about... brush May 2021 #75
Reform is a feelgood word that means nothing. StarfishSaver May 2021 #143
Good ones. I particullary like "reshape" and "Deracialize". brush May 2021 #99
Fuck the Police tonedevil May 2021 #7
Of course, but do you care to comment on the wisdom of the phrase "defund the police"... brush May 2021 #8
The cowardice of Democratic candidates... tonedevil May 2021 #9
Cowardice how? brush May 2021 #10
When Hillary Clinton said... tonedevil May 2021 #11
+1, ... they should've backed her up saying they're enabling an out and out racist, sexual ... uponit7771 May 2021 #17
Yep StarfishSaver May 2021 #48
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... and they show ... ***NO PROOF*** in any exit polling of voters that DTP was uponit7771 May 2021 #16
There is no proof, but since even our local Dem activists were questioning whether it meant... TreasonousBastard May 2021 #18
I agree with the poster that we should own the SENTIMENT and tell the nazi kkkons to fuck off uponit7771 May 2021 #19
If you are in the street... tonedevil May 2021 #63
This board is made up of activists with long histories of protesting in the streets so can the... brush May 2021 #102
I guess the protesters forgot... tonedevil May 2021 #105
Sigh StarfishSaver May 2021 #111
Brains (critcal thinking) can be a focus group on the fly at steet level. brush May 2021 #119
You just had to be there... tonedevil May 2021 #123
Been there and done that many times. Never thought up such a stupid slogan though. brush May 2021 #125
Good for you. /nt tonedevil May 2021 #126
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #107
Somehow... tonedevil May 2021 #112
... but we'll let you know when it is. In the meantime, be careful not to annoy or offend us StarfishSaver May 2021 #116
"they are the cause of most of the violence." maybe you do have to explain? EX500rider May 2021 #146
Kamau Bell is an official of the Democratic Party? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #14
Wait...what? Where did anybody claim that W Camau Bell didn't have the right to express his opinion? lapucelle May 2021 #31
Counterproductive to whom? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #35
Pushing a misinterpreted slogan associated with the Democratic Party hurts Democrats. lapucelle May 2021 #40
Why is it associated with the Democratic Party? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #43
What are you talking about? N/T lapucelle May 2021 #47
You claimed ChrisF1961 May 2021 #61
Why would it matter whether Bell did that? lapucelle May 2021 #64
I'm talking about Bell ChrisF1961 May 2021 #66
Yes, I know, as is the OP. N/T lapucelle May 2021 #67
No the op is denouncing Bell ChrisF1961 May 2021 #74
OmG.. TY! Jeeze! Cha May 2021 #93
I know. lapucelle May 2021 #95
Hey Aloha!💙 Cha May 2021 #101
Huh? Were you asleep during the massive, worldwide protests last summer... brush May 2021 #82
So if the right wing media says something ChrisF1961 May 2021 #85
Dude, Please. No one here is saying it's true. It's how it affects voters. brush May 2021 #90
Why is it Bell's responsibility to affect voters? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #96
I see you're new to this. If you're a Democrat and want to see Democratic candidates... brush May 2021 #100
But Bell is not affiliated with the Democratic Party ChrisF1961 May 2021 #122
Who's censoring him? Just as he can, we can also express our opionions on dumb opinions. brush May 2021 #124
You are not the arbiter... tonedevil May 2021 #127
We alreay knew you were a defund the police fan. IMO it's the dumbest slogan ever. brush May 2021 #128
Express away... tonedevil May 2021 #129
There is a difference between calling ChrisF1961 May 2021 #130
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #139
Huh? Kamau Bell is a well known progressive. brush May 2021 #233
So ChrisF1961 May 2021 #238
Please just stop you look foolish peddling your bs, go on keep costing us elections caber09 May 2021 #166
How is it BS to say that Bell is not ChrisF1961 May 2021 #179
Is that the only criteria for you, that one be an "official" or "spokesman" of the Democratic Party? George II May 2021 #204
Oh, come on. That's a weird defense. StarfishSaver May 2021 #207
Doubtful ChrisF1961 May 2021 #216
But is Bell a registered Democrat? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #215
Is he a registered Democrat? If so, he's "affiliated with the Democratic Party". George II May 2021 #205
But you don't know that he is, do you? StarfishSaver May 2021 #210
I have a Netflix membership ChrisF1961 May 2021 #217
Do you know his party registration? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #214
And even if he is a registered Dem, expressing his opinion on a topic is not speaking for the party StarfishSaver May 2021 #222
True ChrisF1961 May 2021 #224
Within minutes of that phrase being uttered, trump and the gop were on it. nt Kahuna May 2021 #265
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #33
Yeah yeah.. and anyone can Disagree Cha May 2021 #83
Sure everyone is free to disagree ChrisF1961 May 2021 #88
I Disagree.. the OP is Right on Target! Cha May 2021 #98
So Bell shouldn't be allowed to express ChrisF1961 May 2021 #120
Sure, hey Fox, OAN, Newsmax, RT do it all the time. Budi May 2021 #223
As long as it's not a lie ChrisF1961 May 2021 #225
You're equating Bell expressing his opinion about DTP with what Fox, et al, do? StarfishSaver May 2021 #226
I'm equating the argument that Bell can say whatever, damaging or not, on a public forum,... Budi May 2021 #228
I'll bet you couldn't describe one other thing Bell has said or a position he's taken or whether StarfishSaver May 2021 #230
Well, it appears by the proof within this OP that Bell has indeed promoted ... Budi May 2021 #232
As I said, you can't come up with anything else that Bell has said that you're aware of StarfishSaver May 2021 #237
I don't care about what ELSE Bell says or does. I addressed the point of the OP Budi May 2021 #239
Losing house seats isn't as big of deal as not having a veto proof majority in the Senate AZProgressive May 2021 #20
Agreed Nexus2 May 2021 #22
Great policy ibegurpard May 2021 #26
What do *you* think this man, a professional communicator, should say instead? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #28
One would hope that a "professional communicator" would say something more incisive and lapucelle May 2021 #34
That's perfection, actually. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #36
It's ageist. There's no "perfection" in dismissing a demographic known for showing up at the polls. lapucelle May 2021 #38
James Carville is a whole demographic? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #39
"Grandpa" represents a major demographic. lapucelle May 2021 #41
You haven't figured it out yet? StarfishSaver May 2021 #49
Yep, especially if they agree with him. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #50
Exactly. I was watching that CNN segment on "wokeness," and Carville's Kahuna May 2021 #269
He is not a professional POLITICAL communicator. He identifies as a comic. nt Kahuna May 2021 #266
Right, but that's still communication, and comics often use politics in their work. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #267
So. I use computers in my work. That doesn't make me a programmer. nt Kahuna May 2021 #268
I mean...the guy's been talking about politics for quite some time. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #272
I wonder, how can our side watch every single thing we say Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #37
Never heard of him and as stated above, "Defund the Police" was a gift to Republicans. SMC22307 May 2021 #42
What's so tough about saying "Re-allocate law enforcement funding" instead? Paladin May 2021 #44
In case you didn't notice, even saying that Cuthbert Allgood May 2021 #280
I'm going to be honest, so forgive me. Oneironaut May 2021 #46
All the reasons Democrats say they did poorly down ballot LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #56
It started in street protests... tonedevil May 2021 #71
That's the problem, though, imo. Oneironaut May 2021 #81
PR firms... tonedevil May 2021 #89
"Reform the police" doesn't say any more "Defund the Police" StarfishSaver May 2021 #91
I don't agree Oneironaut May 2021 #131
Once "reform the police" is explained and people believe it's more than a bs.slogan StarfishSaver May 2021 #132
We don't agree on what DTP means. It literally means no money for police. brush May 2021 #140
I don't think "defund" necessarily means to completely eliminate funding StarfishSaver May 2021 #144
Defund the police doesn't mean take funding away from police? brush May 2021 #149
"Taking funds away" is not the same as reducing or diverting the funding StarfishSaver May 2021 #151
Sentient, thinking people get nuance. I know all that, as do you, but you know... brush May 2021 #153
It's not up to Black and Brown people to dummy everything down for ignorant white people with StarfishSaver May 2021 #154
I hope what you say in your last graph happens because the elections are so close... brush May 2021 #156
That's what people always say when trying to justify telling Black and Brown people we have to StarfishSaver May 2021 #157
Allies knowing how to help is a good thing. It's tangential to the DTP. brush May 2021 #158
Too many allies spend too much time and effort telling Black and Brown people what we're doing StarfishSaver May 2021 #159
I'll ask this again what district are you in and how did dtp resonate there? caber09 May 2021 #170
There is an old saying in politics.... Happy Hoosier May 2021 #271
Ok. StarfishSaver May 2021 #273
Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #51
I don't see how this even matters... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #186
This ads worked because the GOP could point to prominent members of the Squad LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #187
Most of the gains we made in 2018 were due to historic increase in voter participation... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #189
THANK YOU !!! If it wasn't dtp it would've been Biden hates beef or Socialism or any other ... uponit7771 May 2021 #206
I think the issues are that both parties are somewhat of a mess right now.... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #213
Bell is a total moron. BannonsLiver May 2021 #73
I wonder when was the last time anyone on DU quoted anything Kamau Bell had to say StarfishSaver May 2021 #77
I do not know who Kamu Bell is and I am not interested enough to try to find out LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #79
Such refreshing incuriosity. /nt tonedevil May 2021 #84
I am more worried about the Texas legis efforts to suppress the vote LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #92
Non sequitur... tonedevil May 2021 #94
Hunh? StarfishSaver May 2021 #110
I posted it because I couldn't believe another woke (uh-oh, another wording turned into a hot-) brush May 2021 #141
Maybe because, as you well know, Black people don't all think alike StarfishSaver May 2021 #142
Oh, no? Not you... brush May 2021 #178
I don't think it's a good slogan StarfishSaver May 2021 #183
+1 bigtree May 2021 #192
Just about everything you write is true, except it not being a vote loser. brush May 2021 #229
There are lots of reasons we nearly lost the Blue Wave advantage in the House, etc. StarfishSaver May 2021 #234
Let's just agee to disagree. brush May 2021 #235
"Blaming it on "Defund the Police" is a lazy excuse." THANK YOU !!! Warnock and Osoff won with uponit7771 May 2021 #241
BINGO !!! Few people are defending the slogan but to say it killed us down ballot is an excuse .. uponit7771 May 2021 #236
Well, Pres Obama thinks "defund the police" is a Bad Slogan.. & Cha May 2021 #174
There's a difference between a phrase that no campaign adopted being a "bad slogan" StarfishSaver May 2021 #195
Oh, & Sen Warnock is Against "defunding the police".. Cha May 2021 #176
exactly bigtree May 2021 #191
Thank you. StarfishSaver May 2021 #193
worse bigtree May 2021 #194
It's ridiculous, isn't it? StarfishSaver May 2021 #196
republicanism is a discredited ideology bigtree May 2021 #197
And it's a strategy many Democrats are all too happy to play into StarfishSaver May 2021 #202
+1, I think the bigger issue is the "demanding less" on the issue of policing is done so the ingroup uponit7771 May 2021 #240
If We Don't KEEP the House & Senate We Cha May 2021 #121
He already did ffs 🙄 Arazi May 2021 #147
Sen Warnock does "NOT Want to Defund the Police" Cha May 2021 #175
Neither did 99.9% of all dem candidates but somehow that slogan was blamed for their losses ... uponit7771 May 2021 #182
Again, your lack of experience in working on campaigns in the real world is sad LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #188
WHOA !!! From your second link ... now lets talk. uponit7771 May 2021 #200
LOL thank you for confirming yet again that you do not understand how campaigns work LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #212
Done, wont answer simplest question & your condescension is childish. Please post to someone else uponit7771 May 2021 #227
LOL I answered your silly question but evidently I was not clear LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #242
More derision, you must have had a lot tied up in the dtp losing down ballot races analysis cause uponit7771 May 2021 #245
Read the poll or have someone read it and explain it to you LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #253
Did you read the article? You are misquoting this article is a very deceptive manner LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #263
Oh.. "sharp rebuke".! Pres Obama is a Winner Cha May 2021 #220
Senator Warnoch does NOT Believe in "defunding Cha May 2021 #219
... and neither did the other down ballot dems that lost. My point is weak messaging and unclear uponit7771 May 2021 #231
However did Warnock and Ossoff win their Senate races with Defund The Police around their neck?! Arazi May 2021 #135
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #145
Yup. This outrage that black people aren't protesting "right" is an insult Arazi May 2021 #148
They're "throwing down the gauntlet" because they don't want to actually address the real problem StarfishSaver May 2021 #150
omg THANK YOU !! Also, when I ask people about EMPIRICAL evidence that it cost us down ballot ... uponit7771 May 2021 #181
We can be smarter than to give the GOP such a gift to use against our candidates. brush May 2021 #251
your words have consequences, too bigtree May 2021 #190
In some quarters, only white people are allowed to criticize words StarfishSaver May 2021 #198
I daresay, this in a time when those black voices and votes have been paramount bigtree May 2021 #199
Black and Brown voters break our necks to vote StarfishSaver May 2021 #203
agree completely, SS bigtree May 2021 #211
I gave context. He had a video on with a chart showing how "reallocating" police finds... brush May 2021 #248
so you agree with his policy bigtree May 2021 #256
Who on DU doesn't agree with reallocating funds to stop killer cops? brush May 2021 #258
the 'gift' in this case is the bevy of Democrats who can't stop scolding people who say 'defund' bigtree May 2021 #260
How silly, as if Democrats paid for the myraid of negative ads republicans used to win... brush May 2021 #262
people who vote based on opposition that slogan are idiots bigtree May 2021 #264
Sorry you don't like the phrase, but it needs to happen. dilby May 2021 #243
And the pushback ALWAYS is against the voices and messaging of the oppressed StarfishSaver May 2021 #246
I'm as against killer cops as anyone but we have to be smarter than to give the GOP... brush May 2021 #247
Sen Warnock is Against "Defunding the Police".. Cha May 2021 #250
Thanks for the reminder that Kamau Bell's new season begins tonight! (10:00 P.M., 9:00 Central) bullwinkle428 May 2021 #259
This entire debate is beyond stupid EffieBlack May 2021 #270
Agreed it's a dumb slogan. I still think it's not smart for prominent progressives... brush May 2021 #274
Nothing Kamau Bell says on television is "a huge loser." StarfishSaver May 2021 #275
This is a Democratic discussion board, even less likely to be viewed by undecideds... brush May 2021 #279
Bell has a right to free speech ChrisF1961 May 2021 #278
Ok, ok. How many times are you going to post the same thing? brush May 2021 #281
As many times as it takes ChrisF1961 May 2021 #282
Does it seem like it's working to you? brush May 2021 #284
Defending people's right to free speech ChrisF1961 May 2021 #286
Well said ChrisF1961 May 2021 #277
For fuck's sake, we could call it "buy more mac and cheese" and the frickin' Republicans Cuthbert Allgood May 2021 #283
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #285
How about tying "insurrectionist party" 24-7 around the necks of all GOP candidates... brush May 2021 #287
I can tell you why my rep lost her seat Bettie May 2021 #288
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