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In reply to the discussion: An Immodest Proposal - Stop Using the Word "Fuck" to Condemn People [View all]Ocelot II
(130,677 posts)7. But "fuck" doesn't always mean "fuck." There's an interesting discourse
on that word (and others) by the linguist John McWhorter:
When you yell Damn! or Fuck!, you are not simply uttering a word. Curses are verbal ejaculations, more squawks than labels. A word is presented; a curse is squirted. This is part of why curses can be so utterly disconnected from their technical meanings. In saying Damn! we are not cursing in the direction of anything as if damning it; Fuck! we say when stubbing our toe, certainly not meaning Sexual congress! Curses are yelps clad in the guise of words, like those little chocolate bottles filled with booze. To approach these with thoughts of Godiva and Russell Stover is to miss their point, which is whats sloshing around inside them.
The point, then, the essence, is the squawking sense of offense, our coping with a blow via the visceral and immediate gesture of swatting back to cause a compensatory offense. You level this revenge by saying something you have been told that you should not, by breaking a rulethat is, by doing something taboo. Herein lies profanitys punch. As Carlin deftly got it across, These words have no power. We give them this power by refusing to be free and easy with them. We give them great power over us. They really, in themselves, have no power. In themselves, notbut curse words are ones that, while maintaining the same outward form, long ago ceased being themselves, having been vested with the power of transgression.
More here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/what-george-carlin-got-wrong-about-profanity/618786/
The point, then, the essence, is the squawking sense of offense, our coping with a blow via the visceral and immediate gesture of swatting back to cause a compensatory offense. You level this revenge by saying something you have been told that you should not, by breaking a rulethat is, by doing something taboo. Herein lies profanitys punch. As Carlin deftly got it across, These words have no power. We give them this power by refusing to be free and easy with them. We give them great power over us. They really, in themselves, have no power. In themselves, notbut curse words are ones that, while maintaining the same outward form, long ago ceased being themselves, having been vested with the power of transgression.
That is to say, when someone writes "Fuck Mitch McConnell!" (or some other miscreant GOPer), they are not expressing even the faintest desire to get horizontal with Moscow Mitch (eww!), but yelping one of the more frowned-upon words in the English language - expressing as strongly as possible with a single word a "sense of offense." I just finished McWhorter's book Nine Nasty Words, which this article excerpts. It's a fascinating discussion of the origins and evolving meanings of various profanities.
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An Immodest Proposal - Stop Using the Word "Fuck" to Condemn People [View all]
MineralMan
May 2021
OP
Some studies that use of some curse words indicates a better grasp of life and
Blue_true
May 2021
#68
I could point out a dozen videos of idiots who don't seem to be able to talk without using profanity
Treefrog
May 2021
#92
Yes people who use cuss words do so because they lack the intellectual ability to express themselves
totodeinhere
May 2021
#107
I agree totally. The term in this context has come to mean VIOLENT PUNISHMENT...
hlthe2b
May 2021
#5
I dunno. I would give DUers some credit for being able to tell the literate from the figurative.
Beastly Boy
May 2021
#11
When I was a kid, I witnessed a pretty meaningful extended conversation between two kids.
Beastly Boy
May 2021
#21
Exactly. "Fuck" in the context of angry expostulation doesn't have anything to do
Ocelot II
May 2021
#15
People like you who complain about taboo words should be thanked for reinforcing their value.
Towlie
May 2021
#26
Also, let's quit calling someone we dislike a "slack-jawed, booger-eating pigfucker" it's insulting
Bucky
May 2021
#75
Don't forget to eliminate it in your next version of your Newspeak dictionary.
roamer65
May 2021
#52
For me the word is a way to channel my frustration, and yes, anger, sadness, and despair
AngryOldDem
May 2021
#61
I agree. Sometimes, it is the only word that can properly express the depth of anger or
smirkymonkey
May 2021
#86
I agree it's over-used, diluting the intended impact, but I disagree on one point: ...
JustABozoOnThisBus
May 2021
#67