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In reply to the discussion: I cannot help feeling this way. The CDC under Biden has just screwn [View all]EarlG
(23,615 posts)65. Interesting, balanced article from Gizmodo on this topic
Doesnt dismiss or mock peoples concerns, but provides a lot of facts. Some choice quotes below. Lots of links at the source article.
There Are Reasons to Worry About the Great Unmasking, but Vaxxed People Spreading Covid Isn't One
At the start of the vaccine rollout late last year, experts were generally cautious about the potential risk of transmission from vaccinated people to others ... However, real-world evidence has since made the answer to this question abundantly clear, at least for the mRNA vaccines developed by Moderna and Pfizer that nearly all vaccinated Americans have taken: The vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing both illness and infection. Multiple studies, looking at different populations like health care workers and college employees, have all found very low rates of confirmed infection among the fully vaccinatedas low as less than 1% for some studies.
(snip)
Its possible that someone could transmit covid-19 post-vaccinationand vaccinated people are still advised to take precautions when in close contact with high-risk individualsbut those rare events will have no impact on the pandemics spread within the U.S., which is currently being driven by the many people still unvaccinated (about 54% of the total U.S. population). Its this group who is now bearing the worst of the pandemic, with hospitals reporting that over 99% of their recent covid-19 patients are unvaccinated.
(snip)
Another misconception regarding the vaccines has to do with the variants of the coronavirus that have arisen since late last year. Scientists are rightfully concerned and keeping a close eye on the development of variants with mutations that might allow the virus to evade vaccine-provided immunity. Down the line, the right sort of mutations could even necessitate booster shots. But right now, whether its the New York variant or the UK variant (which has since become the dominant strain in the U.S.), there is simply no evidence that our vaccines here arent working against the virus.
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Whatever happens, no one should be blamed for feeling wary about the near future. Everyone is also still required to wear masks when using mass transit and at airports, hospitals, and wherever local laws and private businesses still dictate. But just keep in mind that if youre vaccinated and unmasked, youre much more protected against covid-19 than you were with a mask on and unvaccinated. And youre definitely not a ticking time bomb for transmission.
At the start of the vaccine rollout late last year, experts were generally cautious about the potential risk of transmission from vaccinated people to others ... However, real-world evidence has since made the answer to this question abundantly clear, at least for the mRNA vaccines developed by Moderna and Pfizer that nearly all vaccinated Americans have taken: The vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing both illness and infection. Multiple studies, looking at different populations like health care workers and college employees, have all found very low rates of confirmed infection among the fully vaccinatedas low as less than 1% for some studies.
(snip)
Its possible that someone could transmit covid-19 post-vaccinationand vaccinated people are still advised to take precautions when in close contact with high-risk individualsbut those rare events will have no impact on the pandemics spread within the U.S., which is currently being driven by the many people still unvaccinated (about 54% of the total U.S. population). Its this group who is now bearing the worst of the pandemic, with hospitals reporting that over 99% of their recent covid-19 patients are unvaccinated.
(snip)
Another misconception regarding the vaccines has to do with the variants of the coronavirus that have arisen since late last year. Scientists are rightfully concerned and keeping a close eye on the development of variants with mutations that might allow the virus to evade vaccine-provided immunity. Down the line, the right sort of mutations could even necessitate booster shots. But right now, whether its the New York variant or the UK variant (which has since become the dominant strain in the U.S.), there is simply no evidence that our vaccines here arent working against the virus.
(snip)
Whatever happens, no one should be blamed for feeling wary about the near future. Everyone is also still required to wear masks when using mass transit and at airports, hospitals, and wherever local laws and private businesses still dictate. But just keep in mind that if youre vaccinated and unmasked, youre much more protected against covid-19 than you were with a mask on and unvaccinated. And youre definitely not a ticking time bomb for transmission.
The people who need to be concerned are the people who are choosing not to vaccinate. They are definitely putting themselves at risk but all the data points to the fact that they are barely a threat to those of us who have been vaccinated.
As the number of people vaccinated grows, along with the number of unvaccinated people who develop natural protection by getting infected, the virus will hopefully continue to dwindle.
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I cannot help feeling this way. The CDC under Biden has just screwn [View all]
boston bean
May 2021
OP
Thank you for being one of the very few people to post something specific like this
MerryHolidays
May 2021
#114
"this was a risk-based analysis." for the vaxed for the unvaxible this screams disaster to do
uponit7771
May 2021
#165
to clarify... I am seeing way more of the population in my town unmasked than % that are vaxxed
FirstLight
May 2021
#6
You definitely should. You are only day two of the two weeks until fully vaccinated
jimfields33
May 2021
#37
If there was a vax database we might have been able to exclude these persons
boston bean
May 2021
#5
+1, there will be a surge post memorial day weekend and HC workers will be swamped and
uponit7771
May 2021
#164
I'm in Western New York (Erie County). A friend of my aunt is in the hospital right now on a vent
liberal_mama
May 2021
#118
There is increasing evidence that antibodies are only a small part of the story.
NNadir
May 2021
#122
That's what is bothering me about this abrupt decision. It doesn't make sense to me.
liberal_mama
May 2021
#54
Again, this is not about the vaccinated. It is about the recommendation and
boston bean
May 2021
#146
Fair enough. But telling people you are safe without a mask, but should still wear one
GulfCoast66
May 2021
#194
Umm a vaccine is not available for those under age of 12, immunocompromised
boston bean
May 2021
#186
The science ***DOES*** say spread will get worse if those who aren't vaxed don't social ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#17
Even if you have been vaccinated you still have a 5% chance of getting the virus.
marie999
May 2021
#20
You can still get loved ones sick, if people have small children for instance
uponit7771
May 2021
#160
You are assuming that everyone who gets the vaccine makes lots of antibodies
womanofthehills
May 2021
#110
I've read 0.05%, but I haven't seen a figure as high as 5% ... where are you getting that?
fishwax
May 2021
#132
The good science that says it will protect us assumes that people are getting it in the first place.
Gore1FL
May 2021
#40
Maybe Booster shots are off the table now if we can run around maskless now!
liberal_mama
May 2021
#193
So are you. It's a discussion board. You clearly want us to wear masks until we die.
beaglelover
May 2021
#188
Yeah, not good advice. I know two friends who have just tested positive after being fully vaxed...
FailureToCommunicate
May 2021
#29
Even if that's not the case they can spread it to small children or others who can't get vaxed now
uponit7771
May 2021
#161
No, but each lost days of work being quarantined. Both (separately) got it from a positive stranger
FailureToCommunicate
May 2021
#181
They are. Thanks. No real symptoms, but they each lost work while quarantining.
FailureToCommunicate
May 2021
#182
Each fully vaxed (and wearing masks when likely contacted positive persons) but their work...
FailureToCommunicate
May 2021
#218
Nursing organizations condemn the CDC rec, CDC wont be working on maskholes post memorial day
uponit7771
May 2021
#162
Do you know and is there science on the possible long term efffects on children who have had a mild
boston bean
May 2021
#64
Does it change the fact that less than 40% of people are fully vaccinated?
boston bean
May 2021
#202
Agreed. As a vaccinated parent of a 10 year old, I'm not really worried about COVID.
Ace Rothstein
May 2021
#99
13% of kids have long term effects of COVID and even if they didn't who in the fuck would
uponit7771
May 2021
#163
I am sorry but he is not infallible. He essentially lied to the public under trump
boston bean
May 2021
#53
You just lost this one...if you make a claim and can't support it, or even say what was a lie..
ashredux
May 2021
#63
I'm not playing some game. You question something someone says on the internet,
boston bean
May 2021
#69
Then why not answer my question....what lie? You can't...name your source...you won't
ashredux
May 2021
#74
And who could forget months of "Masks do not protect you. They protect others".
Cetacea
May 2021
#123
Those who truly want the vaccines are perhaps on the way to get them.
Justice matters.
May 2021
#144
Why are you thinking I am anti science. My views are on solid science ground.
boston bean
May 2021
#50
The M$M and those same doctors who told us last year that we didn't need masks...
Kahuna
May 2021
#49
I don't agree. IMO Joe Biden made a good, rational, common sense decision.
Baked Potato
May 2021
#58
+1. Also, the CDC just clarified that K-12 schools should maintain mask requirements for everyone
dalton99a
May 2021
#84
Also +1. This step toward normality is possible because of competent government
Hortensis
May 2021
#203
The rest of us don't need to continue going out of our way in the meantime.
Ace Rothstein
May 2021
#106
My daughter, Sascha, was quoted in this AP article (below) on masking. She was a Biden delegate
deurbano
May 2021
#103
My gods, people, just chill out. THIS is what you are all going to throw Biden under the bus for?
Hekate
May 2021
#119
WaPo says Biden was not informed of the decision/announcement or involved in it?
Grasswire2
May 2021
#129
I agree the CDC messaging on this is terrible. The federal government has NEVER issued
SweetieD
May 2021
#197